Top 15 Cheap, Safe and Friendly Countries

Have you ever wondered which is the cheapest, friendliest and safest country in the world? Well, wonder no more. A recent 500+ page report by the World Economic Forum contains a few golden data nuggets that has enabled me to come up with the answers. I also used data from this wonderful index website called Numbeo. Before traveling to any country, I suggest checking out a few indexes on Numbeo about the country of your choosing.

From my limited but growing travel experience, I have come to the conclusion that there are three factors that influence how enjoyable a country is. In no particular order:

  • Attitude of locals towards foreigners (we’ll call this “friendliness”): Friendly local people means it’s easy to get around, ask for directions and find people to party with. It also increases your chances of immersing yourself  in the local culture and getting to know the people better.
  • Cost of living: Everyone likes cheap countries or countries that are relatively cheaper than our own. This means that if you’re from Norway this doesn’t concern you because no country in the world is more expensive.
  • Safety: Safe countries are fun. Why? Because you don’t have to restrict yourself to day-only activities in touristy areas. If a country is safe you can do more “off the beaten path” activities. You can explore new places and stay out late if you feel like it. You can walk around freely and fearlessly. Try doing this in Caracas.

I’ve found data for each of these individual aspects and then I’ve combined the three sets of data to come up with a new list that shows the countries that are the best for cheapness, safety and friendliness combined. I’ve provided individual rankings for each aspect first and at the end of the post you’ll see the results of the brand new combined rankings.

Friendliest countries

You can find the full list of countries in the WEF report that I mentioned above. It’s page 455 in the PDF. Here’s a quick snap shot and a list of the top 5 and bottom 5 countries.

Countries ranked by friendliness. Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306868/Worlds-friendliest-country-Head-Iceland-avoid-Bolivia-costs.html

Most friendly countries: 1) Iceland 2) New Zealand 3) Morocco 4) Macedonia 5) Austria
Least friendly countries: 140) Bolivia 139) Venezuela  138) Russian Federation 137) Kuwait 136) Latvia
Special mention: 42) South Africa 55) United Kingdom 102) United States

Cheapest countries

The most expensive countries are the dark shades of red while the cheapest are in dark green. Click the map to go to the interactive version Numbeo.

Cheapest countries: 1) India 2) Pakistan 3) Nepal 4) Algeria 5) Bolivia
Most expensive countries: 95) Norway 94) Switzerland 93) Australia 92) Luxembourg 91) Denmark
Special mention: 35) South Africa 78) United Kingdom 62) United States

Safest countries

Greener means safer, red means danger. Click on the photo to view the interactive version at Numbeo.

Safest countries: 1) Japan 2) Taiwan ) Hong Kong 4) United Arab Emirates 5) Malta
Least safe countries: 95) Venezuela 94) Trinidad & Tobago 93) South Africa 92) Kenya 91) Puerto Rico
Special mention: 45) United Kingdom 76) United States

Cheapest, safest and friendliest countries

Now, here’s what you are really looking for. The individual rankings are not very useful. Why? Because there’s no point going to Bolivia which is cheap but very unfriendly for tourists. There’s also no point in going to Pakistan which is cheap but not very safe or friendly. Iceland might be super friendly but your wallet will take a hammering. So what you need to know is which countries fair the best in all three aspects. These countries are golden and you should consider visiting them on your next vacation. If you like numbers and statistics, you can check out the spreadsheet I used to combine the rankings over here.

So, drum roll please. Here are the top 15 cheapest, safest and friendliest countries on our beautiful planet.

Country Overall Rating (Max 1)
1. Macedonia 0.99
2. Georgia 0.98
3. United Arab Emirates 0.82
4. Morocco 0.80
5. Hong Kong 0.75
6. Montenegro 0.71
7. Malta 0.68
8. Taiwan 0.67
9. Ethiopia 0.63
10. Thailand 0.62
11. Estonia 0.60
12. Sri Lanka 0.59
13. Nepal 0.55
14. Bosnia And Herzegovina 0.55
15. Portugal 0.46

Top 15 cheap, safe and friendly countries in the world

So there you have it! I barely even know where Macedonia is but judging from these results it could be a hidden gem. This is quite a different list from your normal “top travel destinations” recommendations, with the exception of the UAE and Thailand which are well known destinations.

Least cheap, safe and friendly countries

At the other end of the pile, we have these countries that make the bottom 15 when ranked by cheapness, safeness and friendliness combined.

Least cheap, friendly and safe countries in the world

Some surprises here! Australia makes the list due to the super high cost of living, same with Norway. France and Italy are known to be expensive and not so friendly to English speaking tourists so they make up the bottom 15 too. Iran and Pakistan should be avoided for obvious reasons.

Conclusions

If you want to see the full list of 90+ countries in my safe-cheap-friendly ranking, then you can download the spreadsheet here.

Like all surveys and studies, this one has flaws. However, it does provide some useful insights. That said, the best way to find out how accurate it is, is to go explore these countries and see for yourself.

So, who’s up for an adventure? Macedonia anyone? Or maybe sunny Morocco? What about multicultural Malta?

You decide.

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  • Anteneh Demeke

    yaaaa. Ethiopia is among the safest place on earth. well come to the origin of man kind. before million years ago, all people originated from The Grand Ethiopia Valley.

    • kimeshan

      Glad to hear from an Ethiopian! I hope to visit the country sometime soon.

      • Jonathan Arkebe Wubneh

        Thanks dear Kimeshan! If there was “rich calture” one your list, Ethiopia woud have been on the top. There are many great things to mention and visit Ethiopia, like Axum the resting place of the Ark of Covenent, the Origin of mankind LUCY etc. I am happy that Ethiopia is on the top 10.

    • Lillian Thompson

      that sounds really tempting, thanks for the invite. Greetings :)

  • Stuart Taylor

    You’re a good writer. I’m trying to do the same myself, so it’s good to see someone not famous put out some good work. You should try storytelling, or giving TED speeches. Thanks, Stuart (astrostuart.blogspot.com)

    • Kimeshan

      Hi Stuart, thanks for the kind words! I just checked out your blog, you’ve been running it for a few years now which is great. I’ve actually been interested in learning more about story telling so I will be following your blog!

  • Stuart Taylor

    I’ll add that having just been to Ethiopia, and having lived in Taiwan and Hong Kong, these three do make excellent tourist destinations. Ethiopia and Taiwan have more interesting sights than most people expect. Food in all three is really good, especially Taiwan (no wonder they’re so healthy). I just with Ethiopian airlines would be more accommodating to extending transfers to stay a few days there. I would say that one has to be on one’s guard in Ethiopia, especially for overcharging — the locals told me it wasn’t safe to go home alone after it had gotten dark. I would especially recommend HK and Taiwan to those especially concerned about safety. Oh, Thailand: No news that it’s perhaps the best country for tourism in the world.

    • Dellu

      I don’t think it is safe to go alone in the darkness, everywhere in the world; I don’t think Ethiopia is less safe than Thailand or Taiwan for that matter; it is just generally intuitively safe to avoid lonely dark places everywhere in the world (even in Norway..lol). That general intuitive fear of the dark lonely places is what the locals told you about.

    • Kimeshan

      Glad you agree with the list!

    • Lillian Thompson

      Always wanted to go to Taiwan!! thanks for the advice, Next destination Taiwan and Ethiopia!! yeihh! :D

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  • Yared Asrat Legesse

    good report which is relieved from the usual stereotypes of such kinds of reports about ethiopia!

  • Vlatko

    Macedonia is in Europe. Thank you for the nice report. Cheers!

    • kimeshan

      Yes it is! It’s great for a European country to come out top for being cheap and friendly in addition to being safe :)

      • Aristotelis

        a correction…Their real name is Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia(FYROM) This is their name in United Nations,search about that…The real,ancient Macedonia Kingdom where was born Alexander the Greek King,is today in Greece…search about that.

        • MAKEDONIJA

          Get a life. Greece did not exist at the time of Alexander, only small city-states which he defeated. Stop selling bullshit and go back to being homosexual, which is the only thing you really invented!

          • FUCK FYROM

            Greek City-States that were part of the same culture, Alexander the Great created GREECE when he united all the City-States under One Flag and One Army for the 1st time in History.

        • sase sas

          Who is that Alexander the Greek?
          There is one Alexander of Macedon.
          And he doesn’t have any connections with helenic tribes.

          • FUCK FYROM

            Except for Macedon taking part in the GREEK only Olympic Games, Speaking Greek, worshipping Greek Gods, naming themselves with ONLY Greek Names.

            King Philip fought for greek city-states and learned the way of the Spartans which he then used to train the Macedonian City-State to conquer all other City-States in Greece

          • Aleksandra Makedonska

            Really man you don’t give up,make me a favour and get the hell off this site,here have people who like to read something good not to read your bullshit! Read this: http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/ConciseMacedonia/timeline.html Greece takes the biggest, southern half of Macedonia (Aegean Macedonia) and renames it to “Northern Greece”. The Greek army burns to the ground the town Kukush, the birthplace of the Macedonian leader Georgi (Goce) Delcev. Now everything is clear?

          • FUCK FYROM

            Read something that was not written by a FYROMian author for once in your life . . you do realize that every Historian on Earth thinks you people are absolutely insane right?

          • volk-arm

            FXXX FYROM- If you want to have a discussion you need to have class. Using inappropriate launuage is not the educated way of having a discussion.

            I am not Greek or Macedonian.

            I went to Athens, Thessaloniki, and Skopje for business this summer. I will give you several topics your country needs to work on before talking about other countries.
            Greece
            Greece- People do not have class. Perfect examples are your comments above.
            Do not invest in Greece! The country is in the black hole and there is no way of coming out for the next 20-30 years.

            Athens and Thessaloniki are dirty cities. Do not visit them!!!
            Athens and Thessaloniki are full of refugees from Africa, Somalia, Afghanistan and who knows from where else???
            People are Rude, Lazy, and Socialist
            People do not want to work. That’s why they are in this mess in the first place.
            The country is in the worst depression since Alexander the Great.
            Stores are closed and the building look like you are in a Third World Country. I thought I was in Afghanistan.
            Watch your personal belongings in both cities because you will get robbed.
            Your country has only islands and people are begging you to stay in their bed and breakfast hotels.(houses).

            Macedonia
            Visited Skopje- The city is 20 years ahead of Athens and Thessaloniki. They are building monuments and new buildings. They had a new Alexander The Great monument in the center of Skopje which looks amazing.

            People are well dressed nice and very polite.
            Also, I visited Bitola, Resen, Mavrovo and Ohrid and I was very impressed with the land, lakes, and the hospitality of the people in Macedonia.

            Looks like Macedonia is in a much better situation then Greece economically. I do not know why they need EU?

            I do not know a lot about the history of both countries both you can argue about history all day and all night and it will never end since we all now everybody writes their own history.

          • Aleksandra Makedonska

            Fck off asshole,and yeah fuck firom because my country is REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hhahaha

          • konstantinos

            yes very clear………. it’s obvious that you are convinced that you have something to do with the ancient Macedonians……. so the Scottish or Irish people that live in u.s.a. can call themselves Apache or Navajo, because they line on the same lands that these ancient tribes occupied………. very clear indeed…. thanks a lot!!!!!

          • Lillian Thompson

            A piece of advice, stop reading toilet paper, your brain is full of shit already :/

          • lenia

            Aristotle (Ancient Greek: Ἀριστοτέλης [aristotélɛːs], Aristotélēs) (384 BC – 322 BC)[1] was a Greek philosopher and polymath, a student of Plato and teacher of Alexander the Great

          • sase sas

            From Wikipedia draws information? You do not know that there can write everybody and write what everyone wants?

          • lenia

            I know how to check information,I have books where it is written everything about greek history and ancient philosophers and these in wikipedia are 100% true.Τhats not for your profit thats why you question it right?Ok is it better to trust every random blog you find?No way reliable!!!

          • lenia

            Alexander III of Macedon (20/21 July 356 – 10/11 June 323 BC), commonly known as Alexander the Great (Greek: Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας, Aléxandros ho Mégasiii[›] from the Greek ἀλέξω alexo “to defend, help” + ἀνήρ aner “man”), was a king of Macedon, a state in northern ancient Greece. Born in Pella in 356 BC, Alexander was tutored by Aristotle until the age of 16. By the age of thirty, he had created one of the largest empires of the ancient world, stretching from the Ionian Sea to the Himalayas.[1] He was undefeated in battle and is considered one of history’s most successful commanders

          • sase sas

            What is Ancient Greece? Greek word was used first by the English in 1829 when they helped the Hellenic tribes to free themselves from Turkish rule. Macedonia (Vardar, Aegean, Pirin) then was released, it was released only after the Balkan Wars in 1913 when she had been unfairly divided by the neighbors, Serbia took part Vardar, Pirin Bulgaria and Greeks Aegean Macedonia in Bucharest peace treaty. Read more on internet for Bucharest peace treaty in 1913.

            http://library.thinkquest.org/10805/media/alexmap.gif

            http://www.drshirley.org/geog/map14_alex.gif

            http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dL2g6VBgoR4/UbB7d4iYB6I/AAAAAAAAAJw/LH2Msi7VUM8/s1600/EmpireAlexanderHR.jpg

            http://www.personal.ceu.hu/students/11/Avtandil_Modebadze/3.Alexander-MAP.the-Great-empire-1.jpg

            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vDy5wR4XpbU/TclRjwK8AnI/AAAAAAAABe0/2vr-aFuEMNA/s1600/Empire+of+Alexander+the+Great+c.+323+BC.JPG

            Alexander of Macedon has nothing to do with Athens, Sparta and Troy.

          • lenia

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Greece
            {Aristotle was the first to use the name Graeci (Γραικοί) in Meteorology, saying that the area about Dodona and Achelous was inhabited by the Selli and a people formerly called Graeci, but at his time Hellenes.[2] From this statement of Aristotle it is asserted that the name of Graeci was at one period widely spread in Epirus and the western coast of Greece in general, hence it became the one by which the Hellenes were known to the Italic peoples on the opposite side of the Ionian Sea.[1] According to Hesiod, in his workCatalogue of Women, Graecus was the son of Pandora and Zeus; he gave his name to the people who followed the Hellenic customs, while his brother Latinus gave his name to the Latins.[3] In Ethnica, Stephanus of Byzantium also states that from Graecus, the son of Thessalus, the Hellenes derived the name of Graeci.}

            I dont take it for granted that you are aware of it but Aristoteles lived in Greece in 4BC century,so the word Greek for sure didnt came up at 1829. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle

            He was born in Stagira,Chalkidiki which is today a city in Macedonia(the greek region of course).At about the age of eighteen, he went to Athens to continue his education at Plato’s Academy. Aristotle remained at the academy for nearly twenty years before leaving Athens in 348/47 BC. This time Greece was not only Athens and Sparta but also Chalkidiki and Macedonia and yes Alexander the great is connected with that too!!Alexander was tutored by Aristotelis until the age of 16,and as I mentioned Aristoteles studied at the Plato Acedemy in ATHENS!

            Besides all these, their names (Alexander,Philipp,Aristoteles etc) and the name of the region Macedonia is completely greek,I proved you that with the etymology of the words.This language-ancient greek- was spoken in all these regions(Macedonia,Sparta,Athens) and is one of the strongest proofs that everything of these are greek!And last but not least at the maps you showed me here you can see by yourself that Alexander the great didnt conquer southern Greece just because these parts already belonged to our country so he chose to expand the empire!

          • konstantinos

            try reading a history book….. all the aristocracy of the lands he conquered spoke Greek after their submission and the years after his death are known as HELLENISTIC PERIOD……… hellenes=greeks ………. it’s a shame you are so ignorant and so naive …………… Leonidas the Spartan and Socrates the Athenian were not Greeks?

          • sase sas

            Alexander and Aristotel were not Hellenes, just Macedonians.

        • Peter V

          As i know you use few different names of your country. Greece, Elada and “HELL-ASS” . In a case you want to apply to be macedonian , you need to know Cyrilic alphabet and stop join Golden Down.

          • Lillian Thompson

            hahahaha That was grate Peter V, get him! :)

          • konstantinos

            Grate?

          • lenia

            The Early Cyrillic script was based on the Greek uncial script with ligatures and extra letters from the Glagolitic and Old Church Slavonic scripts for sounds not used in Greek.

        • Kamelija Stefanova

          Troll!

        • Lillian Thompson

          Whats funny Aristotelis is that you are posting this comments in a web
          page that reads an article about friendliest, cheapest and safest
          countries in the world and with them you are totally proving why Greece
          is not among this list :) By the way, I´m not either Macedonian, Greek
          nor Bulgarian but I’ve been in both Greece and Macedonia and definitely
          Macedonia proved to be friendlier, cheaper and safer. Greek was boring,
          unexplainable expensive (as its not luxurious, organized or anything)
          and people was among the most rude people I have encountered in all of
          my trips around the world. Every time I went into a store I felt like I
          was about to be robbed, grumpy faces everywhere, I wouldn’t return there
          even I get paid for it on the other hand, I would go back to Macedonia
          with eyes closed and several times a year, Macedonia its a Joy. Another
          fact, When i was in Macedonia, I learned a few Macedonian words as
          that’s the language spoken there, the only people I heard speaking
          Bulgarian in Macedonia where Bulgarians, I think you are mistaken. About
          the name, well it seems there is two options, one for retarded people
          who like to follow anything that the UN impose like trained dogs, you
          already know that one; and the real one, Republic of Macedonia. UN’s name for Macedonia is nonsense, Macedonia exists since between 808-399 BC check this out http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/ConciseMacedonia/timeline.html, its a very ancient European Culture and Country, United Nations was founded in 1945 only, so you tell whose right and whose not ;) There are
          so many cool facts about Greek history but I never read anything about
          any Alexander The Greek, I read about Alexander Of Macedon, I mean if
          you went to school you should know that right? perhaps another
          misunderstanding.The cool facts about your history are gone, new Greek
          people like you have ruined the cool, man! that’s a pity. But I guess
          you don’t realize any of this as you seem to be completely ignorant and
          blinded. Hey, are you named after the famous Philosopher? Damn! you’ve
          ruined that too! :(

          • maria

            gooddd. bravo. greetings from Macedonia. u r always wellcomed here.

          • Lillian Thompson

            Thank you Maria, I know, Macedonia stole my heart :)

          • konstantinos

            what about your wallet?

          • Lillian Thompson

            Sorry, what do you mean Konstantinopolus? :P

          • konstantinos

            My name is Konstantinos……. i would never have commented on that otherwise but YOU started it…….. how cheap!

          • Lillian Thompson

            what do you mean with that? did you read something else wrong? :/

          • konstantinos

            what do you mean BY that, not WITH that….. you uneducated provocative bitch……….. i speak better English than you……. what happened and you hate us so much?…… did you happen to like a Greek guy and he turned you down?……… don’t worry you’ll find a lot of “macedonian” gipsies to “take good care of you” with a few dollars if you’re ugly

          • Ману Силва

            Well said Lilian!

          • FUCK FYROM

            You are Bulgarian because you are FYROM’;ian. THey are one in the same thing

          • fuq greece

            You’re a retard. Get your face out of your ass and learn how to read before opening your fat mouth.

          • Lillian Thompson

            hahahaha you are retarded because you are stupid because, quote “THey are one in the same thing” hahahaha you make me laugh so much!! thanks :D

          • ivanIv

            can u please explain me how did you notice the difference between macedonian language and bulgarian , if you are not at least serbian or..some other balkan country..? for foreigners from the west, both languages sound absolutely equal …because..lets face it..they ARE the same.
            I will never forget that day when I once met a macedonian girl in Sweeden, we started talking to each other, she spoke her language, i spoke my language (bulgarian). Few minutes later we asked each other which CITY did we come from as soon as we both thought for a moment, that we both come from the some country. She answered Skopije, and I answered back “how great that even coming from different countries, we understand each other perfectly( i also said that im bulgarian and that i come from sofia). Since THAT EXACT moment, she started talking to me in ENGLISH and said that she didnt understand anything i was saying….
            does that seem normal to you?
            to tell you the truth we bulgarians dont give a sh1t about you people, we dont care and we never did, there’s no such a thing as “anti-macedonian” move or whatever.
            Im not sure if macedonian people are highly full of complexes, or its a matter of “brainwashing” or whatever but its just you guys that bother to convince the entire world you’ve actually created the entire universe..
            If you concentrate on fixing your country economic-wise, culture-wise, infrastructure-wise rather than trying to lie to your own people instead, it would matter much more than pretending that Macedonia is the mother of the Balkans or etc. Its ridiculous!!! France is great country..Germany is great country..England is a great kingdom, Russia is a great country…but Macedonia..? come on, wake up people

          • Lillian Thompson

            I dont really get your question I think, I mean, you really want to know how I noticed the difference because you are curious about it? or you are trying to incite a discussion on the similarities of the balkan languages? or perhaps another thing? Im a little bit confused, I’ll try my best to answer anyway. About how I noticed the difference. Well studying and learning Macedonian language in Macedonia help a lot I guess, at first I did felt Serbian, Macedonian, Bosnian, Bulgarian, etc. where exactly the same but by learning the language I realised they have similarities but they are not the same. Teaching English and Spanish to a Bulgarian young girl in Skopje helped too, as even when I tried to practice my macedonian with her she also said at all times she didn’t understand me. And yeah, in general, those languages sound kind of the same. Not only from those countries, I was recently helping some Russian customers and guess what? as I heard them speak, they where using some of the words I learned in Macedonian, some exactly the same and some just very alike. Isn’t that cool? though I wouldn’t say I would understand completely any Serbian, Bosnian or Bulgarian even with this similarities. I am not an expert in linguistics or anything but I do not agree with you saying that this languages are all the same. Even a Balkan Citizen may know that. I must agree from all the balkan languages I’ve heard Bulgarian and macedonian seem to be the more alike but still I wouldnt say they are the same. I have Serbian, Bosnian, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Montenegran and even Albanian (From Albania) friends and I do not think their language is the same from what I have been able to read or hear and learn, even though I’ve seen all this nationalities (except from the Albanian) gathering together at a bar, drink together, talk and laugh of the same jokes. Does that answer your question? Im not sure cos Im also not sure of the question either :/ And also, Im not sure if the rest of your comment is directed to me but since I’m not sure either, I will answer it. Again, in my experience, I have learned from Bulgarians the way they think of Macedonians, perhaps not all of the Bulgarians or Macedonians think alike but I have actually heard nasty comments about Macedonians in General from Bulgarians, Serbians and Greeks. All alike, “Macedonians are Bulgarians” “Macedonians are Greeks” “Macedonians are Serbians” and such, I do not intend to deeply deconstruct my thoughts on the origins of this comments cos I am not an expert in Sociology or Anthropology but my perception is that yes, there seem to be a tendency to criticise, diminish, abuse and deny Macedonians, so I wonder who is contributing to that? I think it’s of human nature to make others less to make one feel better and I often discover that all this aggressions somehow are targeted from this countries to Macedonians but maybe its again just the work of the politics of each country. Also perhaps macedonians do tend to react to such aggressions and why not? I’ve spoken my thoughts on that on another post. But the truth is that I think in general, either attacking or reacting its a real waste of time as like you say, people should focus on making their countries better, improve their economics, build stronger politics and such but I find it kind of harsh when you are constantly a victim of cultural “bullying” I do agree though on one thing you say, Macedonians should give a fuck about this comments (they are much better than that) whats interesting is that I have also noticed the same reactions in the other nationalities that we mentioned, including yours, you reacted very strongly to my post if you notice, re-read your reply to it and you’ll realise. Perhaps you should do the same, After all, even with all the similarities in the language, culture, religion, food, economics and character; I would never say you guys are all the same and you shouldn’t treat yourselves like that, cos one most learn from the differences, accept the similarities and respect the choices of each person or group. At least for me thats a rule. I’m not really sure why this girl switched to english while talking to you, perhaps you took it the way you chose and she just basically didn’t wanna talk to you anymore for another reason. Who knows? to be honest, when you start looking for reasons for everything that happens in your life you will always find something to connect it with something and thats when things may get twisted. So I guess, that’s that, I hope you found the answer you where looking from me and if not that you respect it. This questioning-answering game it’s pretty much cause and effect I think, so I guess in the end you get the answer that you push to have. Just a parenthesis, I also speak Spanish and I have Spanish, Mexican, Argentinian, Chilean, Ecuadorian friends and non of them speak exactly the same spanish!! how cool is that? :) I also happen to have Portuguese, Italian and French friends and I communicate with them using spanish (they seem to understand it better than english) and they reply back with their own language, as far as I know all tis languages come from the same root but let me tell you something, they are not the same language! I think there is something else that helps you understand with people and thats chemistry, when you have that, theres no need to speak the same language!! now, tell me how cool is that? I bet you agree with me :) By the way, you don’t help people change positively by negatively criticising, so if you are really concerned about Macedonians changing the way they live, think and see themselves, a constructive critic may do. Often I think we mix personal feelings with political believes and thats because politics are made for that, their made to raise passion in people to stand for something. Here is a question for you, meeting that Macedonian girl made a personal or political impression in your life? Regards.

          • konstantinos

            Maybe, just maybe if you are kind enough to clear your mind for a few seconds then you may realize that greek is totally TOTALLY different from the other languages in the region……… because greek are ancient here compared to the others………. and that is what Alexander spoke ………not so called “macedonian” which are a bulgaroslavian dialect, they were never around at that time!!!!

          • lenia

            did you find any beautiful islands, crystal blue water to swim,and sandy beaches to sunbathe in Fyrom?Nooo and its impossible to find buahhhahahahhaha

          • Lillian Thompson

            Hahahaha how old are you?

          • Lillian Thompson

            How old are you lenia? five?

          • lenia

            im as old to visit most of the amazing islands in Greece!But answer did you find?Oh!I forgot…they didn’t grow up yet..!!

          • Lillian Thompson

            you sound more like 2 actually.

          • konstantinos

            Lilian, being friendly means that you respect your neighbors, the truth and history facts…….. and in that aspect they haven’t been friendly to Greece at all., they are extremely provocative to be honest…… secondly the millions of tourists that come here every year prove you wrong……. Greece compared to what offers isn’t expensive at all, especially now with the crisis………P.S the first thing that you experience when driving into FYROM is the police and trying to get a bribe or they write you a ticket and make your day impossible………. and something else, all Greece’s neighbors envy us, all their neighbors disregard them………that should tell you something

          • Lillian Thompson

            Ha! yeah right. As I mentioned in the comment you seem to just look over without really reading (maybe product of your bad reading skills) I’ve been in both countries and that’s my credit for comparison, wether you like the result or not. Envy? :D You don’t read well but you are certainly very comical with your writing, thanks, I had a blast. :)

          • konstantinos

            Where are you from exactly Lilian? it’s very strange to say such things about Greece and defend Fyrom so much…… I don’t know where you went to school but they obviously haven’t tutored you history…….. Alexander was not Greek? why did he speak the language then? or worship the Gods? or take part in the Olympics which was forbidden for not Greeks? or had Aristoteles as a teacher( he didn’t go for slavic pupils you know, needless to say there were none at that time, but only after a few centuries)

          • Lillian Thompson

            Defend who? mmm I think you need to do better research on Greek History but if you choose to stay misinformed be my guest, I don’t really care. By the way, about having bad tutors, you don’t know how to read, My name is spelled Lilliane with double L. Cheers :)

          • konstantinos

            Are you joking?…. you mean to compare a spelling mistake with bad tutoring? who cares how your name is spelled? that was very cheap……… In Greece we have the biggest percentage in south Europe of good speaking English population……. and you still haven’t answered my questions………. YOU are going to teach me Greek History? how rude of you , you are ridiculous… enough said about Greece…. we are very proud people …….. why don’t you tell us where you are from? are you ashamed of your country or your history?

        • Ману Силва

          simple-minded… HELL ASS is the name of your country!

        • MKD

          Nice to know they educate monkeys

        • Guest

          yea right,because of you hellass idiots we cannot use our REAL name Republic of Macedonia!! We have proofs and you??what do you have? nothing.. Alexandar the Great was born in Pela but THEN where was Pela in greece or in Macedonia? STOP stealing our history because you don’t have any real!!!This picture is in National Museum in New York and look it good,to where is Macedonia???I’m done with you greeks or what ever you are…

        • Aleksandra Makedonska

          yea right,because of you hellass idiots we cannot use our REAL name Republic of Macedonia!! We have proofs and you??what do you have? nothing.. Alexandar the Great was born in Pela but THEN where was Pela in greece or in Macedonia? STOP stealing our history because you don’t have any real!!! I’m done with you greeks or what ever you are…

          • ivanIv

            that thing you say that Greeks have no history but you macedonian people have history is the MOST…the MOST ridiculous thing ive read so far ! ahahha…!!!!

  • me

    haha sweet :) Well, come to Macedonia and see for yourselves :) The people are nice everything is cheap, and its really safe. You’ll be coming home at 5 am drunk, happy and with your pockets full :)

    • kimeshan

      Sounds amazing ;) I definitely will be visiting soon! Which city in Macedonia do you live in?

      • anabela ana

        Skopje-the capitol, Ohrid, Strumica, everywhere is nice…

        • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

          I really do have to visit now!

          • Aleksandra Makedonska

            You’re always welcome to Macedonia :)

          • Ral Cheva

            I think the way you keep calling it Macedonia, people will go and book a ticket to Greece instead. The article is about the Republic of Macedonia, not Macedonia proper.

          • Predrag

            That’s my boy! Tell me about it later, will you? :D

          • konstantinos

            Please do that ……… it’s like a time travel……… maybe you’ll see Marty Macfly and Doc …… you’ll go back at least 30 years

          • me

            Hey kosta, check your roots. Something tells me your grandparents were slavic.

          • konstantinos

            Yes in a parallel universe i could be you and you could be me ( i could even grow tits….)………. wait…. YOU WANT TO BE ME!! oooohhh such a shame!!!

            2013/10/15 Disqus

      • me

        I would definitely recommend Ohrid, But there are many other places too, Berovo, Mavrovo, Prespa, Dojran, Struga, Krusevo, Pelister, Galichnik… Skopje is OK too. The old town with the old fort is really nice, there are many old churches, mosques, a byzantine fort and even the foundations of the old roman water reservoir are there. There are byzantine monasteries with frescoes from the time of the “Byzantine reneissance” in the mountains around the city… Its a small country, once your there, you can take a road trip. Wherever you go, the people will be nice, but the most beautiful sites will be around the Ohrid Lake.

        • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

          Ohrid it is, will take a note of that. I guess the best time to visit would be the summer?

          • me
          • me

            And by the way, please don’t pay attention to the macedonian-greek discussion bellow. The greeks always provoke, and the macedonians always fall for the provocation. Its just how it is…

          • FUCK FYROM

            The FYROM’ians provoke with their brainwashed statements, I only reacted to idiotic remarks . .you people are like Scientology weirdos, passionately Brainwashed and no logic on Earth will show you the Reality of the situation you are in, which is why you are the entire worlds laughing stock.

          • me

            I’m pretty sure you started it

          • Jas Sum

            Hello, FOROG’ians, глејте си ги вашите гајлина

          • Toni

            Is it right, jorgo? Just keep on murmuring the same shit with the serious lack of arguments and go to suck some germans d***s for some euro to survive rest of the day, that’s the best you can do, dont worry about my Macedonia, we are just fine…

          • Ral Cheva

            Oooh, that didn’t sound like a welcoming local…I think I am just not going to pay attention to your article.

          • countrycentral

            Trust me, besides poverty there’s nothing to be seen. People are fleeing the country by hundreds every week. I myself sold everything I own to move in Orlando and start fresh. People are nice but god damn they’re uneducated. Criminal thoughts rush trough every persons mind when they see a wallet, jewelry, money… Spend your money on something nice and worthy, and visit some beautiful sites in Europe.

          • me

            Wow, you are so toxic… You are probably just like any other immigrant going to the US. The biggest trash from your homeland… That’s why you hate it so much

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            Hey…how about not generalizing immigrants! That is absolutely not fair…it is like saying every brown eyed person is intelligent! And to you countrycentral….hate to break it to you but Orlando does not lack criminals as well, or have you not lived long enough in the States to recognize that the criminal rate is much higher here than in Macedonia…also, the debt per person in the States is about $50 000, where in Macedonia is $4. You might be able to make the correlation that the poverty rate in the States is much higher than in Macedonia if you consider that fact since you are one of the educated!

          • me

            Sorry, I got carried away and wanted to insult the idiot. I’m sure he’s a trashy immigrant though.

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            Alright…apology accepted :) and thanks.

          • Ral Cheva

            I think we have heard enough of the local attitude now….if there’s half a chance you might be spoken to the way “me” has posted here, that’s definitely not the place to have a good holiday. Come to London, where people are nice in deed. You never get spoken to like that: “trashy immigrant” etc…..

          • me

            no. in London, never. seriously.

          • Candido Santos

            HAHAHAAH!!!!

            Not at all! Lovely London. Not a trashy immigrant, just saty away from st george day bermondsey because you may be Killed for not being English

          • Lillian Thompson

            Totally agree with you Renata.

          • countrycentral

            Hey sweetheart, It’s been almost a year now that I live in the States… You are right on the criminal rate, in some areas it is high, but those areas are bubbles like Arachinovo. If you stay away from there you are safer than anywhere. Too bad in Macedonia you can’t avoid bubbles anymore. Should we start on talking about the last events with the Albanians? The country is pretty much doomed. We all like to fool our selfs that it’s doing pretty good though.

            But let’s talk about money… It’s been a year that I live here, I got a good paying job with lots of opportunities for promotion. I live comfortably and so far have saved an extra $10,000 in my bank account. I go biking, I rent a boat and enjoy sailing. And I also have one more job offer that sits open for any day I decide I need a change. You know… it’s easy when you have successful friends running businesses. How many of those do you have in MK?
            So silly me has been living in Florida for a year and has extra money to go for a very nice trip around Europe anytime. What kind of plans do you have in near future?

            Sure there is poverty, a lot of it, and that thing is reserved for people that drink all day and don’t do shit. People that wait for the country to do their job… just like most Macedonians do.

            I like to work smart and invest in myself. I like to network with successful people and sell my ideas. I prove myself worthy of challenges and overcome them sooner than planned. I keep myself highly disciplined, I get work done and spend money wise.
            If you come here with a mindset like this, there is nothing but success waiting for you.

            Yes, I am educated. Not just by schools but by the street. I learned things the hard way and accepted the willingness to improve myself. Million mistakes and million lessons learned. Now working on that million dollars :)

          • Ral Cheva

            The locals are very nice and welcoming indeed :-)

          • Candido Santos

            hahahahahah! you are one sorry mother fucker…..people like you have no right to a nationality………….Toxic is not what this guy is!!! Ignorant above all….

          • Pa Ne

            арно што си си отишол. ај сега остави не на раат

          • Human

            Quite the opposite: the overall literacy index and the numbers of bachelors and majors per population percentage is also amongst the highest in Europe. The English speaking people percentage is amongst the highest for the country who don’t have the english as official language. Your definition of poverty if just an excuse for not being able to compete in that environment and chose to go away. (I guess you are the “iliteral” one not knowing this facts).
            Anyhow, Bon voyage my countryman, and have a happy life in Orlando. Stop trying to hate what is behind you and curse what has happend. Live for what is in front of you. You say you are happy now, and yet, you try to envoce negative emotions, and enjoy in spitting on them. It seems to me like you are not happy enough and you have to make others be equaly unhappy so you can feel better. Drop that and enjoy your life.

    • Aristotelis

      I have been there…Nice people,they speak Bulgarian dialect,their names are Bulgarians,for a moment i was thinking that i’m in Bulgaria…

      • MAKEDONIJA

        So go to Greece and meet those ugly retards that come from North Africa. They are not nice, but you will have the chance to see the beauties of South Macedonia.

        • FUCK FYROM

          You filthy Rats came into What is now called “Macedonia” 1,000 years after Alexander the Great had died.

          Alexander the Great and his people spoke a local dialect of Greek, his ancestors took part in the Olympic games which were for GREEKS only, every artifact found from his kingdom is in Greek letters, they worshippe the Greek Olympus Gods, took part in Greek theater, music and other performance arts, Alexanders teacher was the greatest greek philospher in history ARISTOTLE, who was born near Alexanders home-town also, he HELLENIZED(google that you idiot Fyromian RATS) all the lands he conquered, HELLENIZED, not BULGARIANIZED like you RATS . . .

          FYROMIANS language is 99.999999% the same as Bulgarian, many bulgarians joke about how FYROM’ians are stupidest people alive who do not even realize this . . .

          After Alexander the Great died, his kingdom collapsed and his descendants stayed powerful in the GREEK city of Thessaloniki for the next 1,000 years.

          You FYROMIAN RATS entered the lands north of Greece during the Ottoman Push to the East to escape the masscared of your homeland in Bulgaria . .

          The sooner you stupid RATS, understand your history, maybe the sooner you guys can enter the EU and stop using Donkeys are your main transportation.

          HERE YU GO RAT

          • MKD

            Macedonia is Macedonia, it doesn’t belong to you Paki Greeks. Alexander the great fought for the glory of Macedonia, not Greece. How can you Greeks claim Alexander the great when he enslaved your people, he put Greece under Macedonian slavery. Show me a map of the name Greece before the year 1829. It is reported that the ancient Macedonians, THRACIANS, Illyrians and so on had bright blonde hair, red hair, were a tall race, had blue eyes with a rich color in skin. When you look at the majority of Greece today, they are of average size or smaller. The majority of modern Greeks today have brown eyes, dark skin and black bushy hair, explain to me why Greek people think they are a white race HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

            IGENEA have done tests on Macedonian DNA, the test results showed that we have 30% Macedonian blood, 20% Illyrian, 15% Slavic and the rest is mixtures. Why is it that so called “Modern Greeks” today have only 5% Macedonian DNA in them, why not more?.

            Find me a map of the name Greece before the year 1829 AD, find me the name Greece. You can not find me that name because the so called Greek state never existed pre 1829 AD.

            Don’t be afraid of your Yunastinian culture and roots.

            You Greeks can’t make your minds up. Non Greek people in ancient times were referred to by Greeks as barbaric tribes, wasn’t it stated that you referred king Phillip (Alexanders father) as a barbarian and his people also (Macedonians).

            If Macedonia is all Greek, why did you sign an illegal treaty which only gets you 51% of our land for a period of 100 years occupation, that period expires this year in august. If Macedonia is Greek, why did you Paki Greeks have no trouble with us back when we were in Yugoslavia, you knew we called ourselves Macedonian but you never gave a rats ass. There is a map, an old map drawn by Greeks which shows you guys calling us “Macedonians” and the north Greece area (Agean Macedonia) you guys called it Greece. Oh if we did not join Yugoslavia and kept our independence in 1912, your propaganda against us wouldn’t of lasted long. So stop talking shit from your ass and sit the fuck down slave.

          • FUCK FYROM

            HOw did Alexander the Great put the greeks into slavery? What the fuck books are you reading?

            He united all the city-states into his army and he conquered the East with them . . Slaves do not fight in your army, you RAT FYROMIAN MOnkey u

            Seriously do you people read any history book that is no written by a FYROMIAN idiot?

            Ancient Greeks did not consider the Macedonians Barbarians, The Athenians did, they also considered the Spartans non-greeks and barbarians. To the Athenians the Macedonians were the enemy because Athens reigned supreme in Greece for over 1,000 years and Macedonia came out of nowhwere to usurp the Athenian dominated NOrthern Greece. To Athenians to be truly greek you had to value Arts and Culture as highly as Military culture which the Macedonians did not, they viewed mIlitary culture and Greek religion as the highest priority.

            Please find me a Macedonian Artificat that is not in GREEK. EVERY SINGLE ARTIFACT DATING BACK FROM ALEXANDERS KINGDOM IS IN GREEK, THEY SPOKE GREEK, WROTE GREEK, WORSHIPPED GREEK GODS, TOOK PART IN GREEK OLYMPIC GAMES, TOOK PART IN THE ORACLE OF DELPHI PILGRIMAGE, AND WHEN ALEXANDER CONQUERED THE EAST HE HELLENIZED THEM.

            Seriously read some fucking books you fool, also according to DNA Tests FYROM and BULGARIA ARE 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999% SAME EXACT DNA RESULTS. UNLESS BULGARIA IS ALSO “ANCIENT” MACEDONIA THAN YOU ARE IDIOTIC.

          • George Simonovski

            There was as no Greek, Greece or anything like that . There was Helas or Elada . Greece became independent, fora first time, only 192 years ago after its territory was carved from the Ottoman empire .

          • lenia

            Hellas is the same with Greece and for your information the name greek exists since the 4BC century..we know that from ancient superscriptions!!

          • Peter V

            Hell-as, Greece, Elada, Cyprus ..all greeks names. Please tell me when and why you started to use Macedonia and you claim Macedonia belongs to you only? It’s so true you occupied part of Macedonia and you know the people are not greeks but pure macedonians. You want to check it? Go to any place in any cemetery you occupied ,have a look at their gravestones out there you’ll find different alphabet than greeks. Cyrilic alphabet is alive witness of your laying.

          • konstantinos

            first of all my friend cyrillic alphabet is of greek origin that is why some letters are the same and not like latin that you used later…….Κυριλλος & Μεθοδιος the names of the priests that were sent to teach reading and writing and also christianity to balkan barbaric tribes……… YOU ARE CLAIMING TO BE DESCENDANTS OF ALEXANDER WHO HAD AS TUTOR THE GIGANTIC ARISTOTELES BUT YOU DIDN’T EVEN KNOW HOW TO READ AND WRITE so they had to invent an alphabet based on Greek……….. how controversial is that?????????GROW UP YOU PEOPLE……….. YOU ARE A SLAVIC NATION……………. the Americans ORDERED that you get that name otherwise you would fall apart ( which will eventually happen anyway) and they need a small state in the region that is absolutely controlable

          • Peter V

            Are you a blonde greek with blue eyes? If not your roots are coming from Middle east. If the cyrilic alphabet is of a greek origin than why you don’t use it? Only idiots are asking another country to change their name. No one is a clown like you in this world. I do not have problem with my macedonian name , but why you have? Have a look yourself in a mirror , you think ALEXANDER MACEDONIAN looks like you?

          • konstantinos

            I’m blonde with green eyes you moron!!!!!! we don’t use the cyrillic alphabet because it was invented for you idiots, we have the original , we sold you the replica …bozo….and it’s NOT your name asshole your name is Peter witch in Greek means “the rock”…… what does it mean in YOUR language………albanoboulgaroslavian gipsies

          • Peter V

            You are a blonde , one of a million greeks, but the majority greeks are black fat and short. {Big fat wedding} ….is it a movie for you greeks? North oF Greece or in Sout Macedonia are living people who are writing cyrilic alphabet, they speak different language than yours. You are after them ,who is the real MORON ? you are champions of MORONS.. ..you don’t even recognize the skin tan….a black fat and short greek is telling to white people gipsies.

          • Ral Cheva

            Funny that you get all these anti-Greek comments that border on the racist as a response to an article claiming that the Slavo Macedonians are friendly and welcoming. I definitely won’t be visiting…

          • Ману Силва

            Lolidis what a stupid grekis… poor people who live in dreams…

          • Ral Cheva

            Alexander the Great actually looks dark in the mosaics I have seen of him and he has the “beak” nose, which is considered stereotypically Greek. He looks very Greek to me…

          • Predrag
          • Ману Силва

            Wikipedia?! What a joke…

          • Predrag

            Igenea found NOTHING. After I had read their allegations about us having 30-40% of ancient-Macedonian blood, I sent them an e-mail asking them to explain what they meant by those totally impertinent assertions. And guess what? Their reply let me know that they were actually acting on someone’s request, so it became clear to me, that they were actually PAID by someone, to come up with those allegations that have nothing at all to do with the Historical facts.

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            why don’t you share that e-mail?

          • Predrag

            Share with WHO? With Government’s agents, payed to provoke and then arrest different-minded fellow citizens? Or with uneducated nationalists who can’t descern left from right and all they do is call people names and never agree with anything reasonable? I beg you. :)

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            I am genuine curious, that is all! I did not even know that they did a DNA testing. One of the tools we use in my practice is genograms which is a genetic tracking tool to determine any possible resources and predispositions for mental illness. It is simply fascinating to me how much genetic coding can predict. At the end of it, my personal opinion is that people should be able to identify themselves as they choose to without any political or social pressure. I do live in the States after all and we are big on self-determination. I do not dispute your concerns that Macedonia does have its problems (e.g. financial, political, etc.); however, I do not live in it anymore and I sometimes slip current information. I will assure you that there will be influx of foreign investments coming to Macedonia’s way that will improve at least the financial status of the country and its people, but the fruits of that effort will not be instant so patience will be required. Apart from professionally enhancing my education in mental health, I have been able to make my fortune via finances and staying current with investments. So, I know that it is hard to consider the future when the necessity is current, but things will change and one of the way it is to enhance our tourism. Take care.

          • Lillian Thompson

            I think that there where no better words to put it Renata, Even I as a foreigner living for a short period in Macedonia and with no deep studies in Macedonian history, Economics, Politics or Anthropology did have the same impression of the country. I am often asked back home what do I think of Macedonia when they find out that I lived there and my answer is always the same: The way I see it, Macedonia it’s a very young country, despite of all of the Historical background only very recently Macedonia had to completely transform from one regime to another (opposites as I see it actually) so for me it looks like the country it’s still reinventing itself. That is not bad or good, that is simply the path that must follow to achieve success later in this goal. I do think many macedonians feel very complexed about this position in the world but like you say, patience is the key and I also think getting involved in that transformation is the key as this will set the ground for bigger changes in the country and perhaps make it, in the future; the country that you dreamed of. I do believe too that with time Macedonia will find it’s way to become whatever it choose to become, but I also do think that it is very important for this to try to stay positive no matter what as this for now will be the only fuel for the society to stay focus and to participate of that change or at least try. Everywhere around the world people always look outside their countries idealising life anywhere else, without seeing the big picture. I don’t think there is such a thing like a perfect country with a prefect society, politics and economics. I would say believing that its kind of unrealistic considering the modern models all over the world. No matter how green the neighbours grass looks, there will be failures within that society and system too, it’s just a matter of making up your mind how you want to deal with them. In general, I think Macedonians are very lucky somehow. What better time than this to start rebuilding your country from scratch? what better opportunity than this to build the face that you want to have before the others? I think this is it and compared to other developing countries I think you have more chances of succeeding than many. It’s just a matter of start drawing the scheme from now. I believe too that politics and politicians are double sided but why not?, its just the nature of politics perhaps, but in my believe as long as the results are good towards the people who cares? It’s just too romantic to think change can be made naturally always. So what if you people needs a push? If that push means providing people with ideas to strengthen both the Nationalism and Identity? At least this things used are nothing bad, this push does not mean getting armed and killing whoever thinks or is different like in other places. Big changes are made in small steps, the biggest and strongest countries did not made themselves form one day to the other, it took lot of time to build, change, rebuild, reinforce and change again. Look at all the strongest economics in the world, they are all rebuilding themselves right now, nobody is secure anymore. But again, thats just the way I think, and in the end it is up to Macedonians inside and outside Macedonia to choose what to believe. By the way, I do think also that Immigrants can make a big change yes, many other ethnic groups work like this and they have built a stronger image of their countries outside helping the ones inside, so I guess for me its better to stay together and stand for a Newer, better and richer Macedonia. Regards.

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            p.s. I often have a hard time when I see WHO with capital letter as in APA format (American Psychology Association) when writing a research or an article WHO means World Health Organization…so it took me a moment to respond since I thought you were saying something totally different…def time for bed :)

          • George Simonovski

            Share it with me ., please , I am carpet cleaner in new Zealand

          • Predrag

            Why don’t you yourself ask them about their foundings and read their reply? Here you are Igeneas e-mail: info@igenea.com

            Below you can read one of the replies sent to me by Igenea. It’s in German because the whole correspondence between me and them was in German. I deleted my name, written in the original, and replaced it with Xxxxxxx.

            Please, pay attention to their statement:

            “Man kann nicht behaupten, dass die heutigen Mazedonier Nachfolger antischer Mazedonier sind.”

            in English:

            “One can not claim that the Macedonians of today are descendants of the ancient Macedonians.”

            Here’s that reply in a shortended version:

            >>Sehr geehrter Herr Xxxxxxx

            Ich bedanke mich für Ihre Nachricht

            Wir können
            Ihnen auch gerne Referenzen geben. Wir arbeiten für Gerichte, Anwälte,
            Ärzte und Hilfsorganisationen wie Caritas. Ausserdem ist unser Labor
            ISO-zertifiziert und eidgenössisch akkreditiert.

            Man kann nicht behaupten, dass die heutigen Mazedonier Nachfolger antischer Mazedonier sind.<<

            So, now you can see what Igenea really found about this issue.

          • Lillian Thompson

            Is this German or something?

          • Predrag

            Ti si definitivno Makedonka. :D :) )

          • Lillian Thompson

            Wow! now your even showing your misogyny, you honour me actually, but no I’m not :( you certainly are Macedonian though, I’ve seen too many like you destroying the country and whatever future it could have with their bad attitude: always upset at something or someone, always looking for whom or what to blame, always looking for bigger reasons to feel more pity on themselves, always talking about other places like they really know them, always paranoid, always psychotic and always stubborn to put their own thoughts and words in everybody else’s heads and mouths until they win this silly game of I know better and you know nothing. Blagodaram Predrag I mnogu pozdrav :)

          • Predrag

            Thank you for posting your reply in English, so every one can read it and understand what Macedonians and their allies are like, without me to have to tell them about it. Enjoy your 20 Euro extra, you’ve really earned them. ;)

          • Lillian Thompson

            Oh my! hahahaha you make me laugh so much, don’t know how much I enjoy that, but you should seriously look for some help (therapy) that’s my advice for you in return of all the non-requested advices and accusations “In that spirit” I’ll go now to live my life happily, hope you manage to live yours like that too one day. Cheers!! :)

          • Chevalier

            I don’t think that Predrag is destroying any country by sharing some accurate information, as opposed to repeating lies and half-truths. I think that you are being rude and patronising to him. Nobody likes a name-dropper.

          • George Simonovski

            I paid them 5,000, 000.oo euros to write what they wrote

          • Ral Cheva

            I’ve had a look at their website after hearing about it from Slavomacedonians going on and on and on about it. I found nothing on their website and also got the impression that this is commercial genetics. Some of the projects they had on were without any obvious scientific basis or promising people to tell them which tribe they come from. It sounded ridiculous. People settled in different countries in waves of migration and therefore your DNA would be a result of “mixing” and not any specific tribe. It’s not scientific at all.

          • konstantinos

            have you even been to Thessaloniki once? you ignorant retard …….. who tells you these stupid stereotypes are true….. from the people i see around all day only 10-20% are black haired and none of them are bushy,,,,,, hahahahaha you are tragic!!!!!!

          • Peter V

            You mean in Solun? Occupied macedonian capitol city. Yeah man ..before 1989 you may not say Macedonia,

          • konstantinos

            “Thessaloniki” means “victory against Thessaly” that was another region of ancient Greece (where today the city of Larissa lies)…… that is what Alexander named his new Capital city after the war against the other Greek tribe………… what does in your bulgarian dialect “Solun” mean? give me an argument PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE……. all you know is talk nonsense because deep down you people understand that you are a fraud , a comedian of today’s History……… MONKEYDONIA

          • Peter V

            Alexander Macedonian had three sisters ..Cynnane, Cleopatra and Salonika. And yes, once he won a batlle against greeks in Thessaly he named the city from Salonika to Thesalonika. About the History and today reality…. WHY? the world recognise ALEXANDER MACEDONIAN and you say ALEXANDER THE GREAT? Do you worry to say MACEDONIAN? No sense? you to say Alexander the Greeks….because he was in war against greeks and yes he won.

          • Peter V

            I do not comment your posts, Thank you for presenting us your real greek disabled culture. Your long tongue is a champion.

          • George Simonovski

            The Helens ( Greece had been coined just 15o or so years ago) called Alexander the Great and his father Filip ,the Macedonian Barbarians and their lifestyle barbaric. So, are you saying that the founder of Helenic nation was barbarian ?

          • konstantinos

            The Athenians did that, but they said the same thing for other Greek tribes……. The Macedonians were Dorieans ( the same origin with Spartans)…….. you must understand that in ancient Greek world there was snobism among the tribes, and the south greeks didn’t like at all that the north tribes became more powerful…… don’t forget that they fought each other all the time ………… also if you claim that you are descendants of Alexander why do you speak this slavoboulgarian language?

          • George Simonovski

            Dear konstantinos .It would be very foolish for me to claim I am a direct descendant of Alexander and Filip the Macedonians . All I am saying I feel good that one small country like Macedonia in almost no time is proclaimed as a safe and cheap destination . Macedonia is your next door neighbour , you should be feeling good too

          • konstantinos

            of course i feel good about it, and let it be known that we all wish for the best to our neighbors….. the companies and factories that were developed the past years by Greek people prove that….. but the policy of the new country is provocative……. they name airports , hotels , roads , squares after our semi-god hero and statues of him not to mention that they dress like ancient Macedonians and parade!!!! It’s a sad thing to not like your history and your heritage, but it’s even more to try and steal someone else’s

          • Peter V

            Well well ..do you remember the name of Salonika’s airport before 1989? Why change it to Macedonia?

          • Peter V

            And do you speak same language as Alexander Macedonian used to speak?

          • Chevalier

            Yes! Greek! He never ever spoke Slavic.

        • lenia

          you can say whatever you want but Greece is one of the most popular destination for tourists!!!

          • Peter V

            Dear tourists The Golden Down is welcoming you to visit their HELL- ASS.

          • lenia

            Shut up your fucking mouth about my country!!!Golden Dawn is only a minority as there are unfriendly and racist minorities in every country!And as i can see u have no idea what you are talking about so i inform u that golden dawn is brought to the justice!

          • Peter V

            No Comment… Thank you for presenting us your real greek disabled culture.

            http://youtu.be/DA64zANqzn4

          • Chevalier

            With the majority of visitors to the FYROM coming from Greece, you might wish to be a bit more polite to them, because, you can lose that too…

          • Lillian Thompson

            Hi Ienia,
            I would agree with you on that but I do think by experience that is changing in the recent years. I think Thailand, China, Japan, Vietnam and so are heading the list now. I work for a travel Agency (a very famous one) and people no longer wants to visit Greece as they used to, it seems tourism is tired of the same old thing and looking for new and more exotic travel. Plus, like this article reflects, Greece is not cheap and there is more budget travellers than rich ones in the world meaning Greece wont make it a s a most popular destination. Sorry, I do agree in the 60′s – 80′s it was very popular. Personally, I have my own reasons to not go there (I did before though) 1 I was there before and I dint like how greek people treated me as a tourist 2 I was there before for a few days and I spent more money than what I spent for two months traveling somewhere else. 3 Did I mentioned most greek people was rude? 4 Socio political situation, its turns out to be scary just to know how things are coming up there and how intolerant Greeks (or some of them) seem to be with foreigners (immigrants) I don’t like to visit countries where there is discrimination, period. Thank You :)

        • Lillian Thompson

          Hahahahaha! O.M.G. this was just so funny, you made me laugh so much thanks.

        • konstantinos

          Greek people are from africa? woooww now i know why my dick is so damn huge!!!! please come mr/mrs MAKEDONIJA…. i’d like to share it with you!……..you are DEFINITELY going to see the beauties of my south underwear…….. you can invite some friends too, there’s plenty to go around for all of you !!!!!

          • Peter V

            Thought I you are a Gey .

          • konstantinos

            You are sooooo smart , how did you guess? you assholes should be glad that in the Balkans witch have nothing really special to show throughout History, there is Greece THE LIGHT OF THE WESTERN CIVILIZATION you ignorant small people……………. consider yourselves lucky to have us as neighbors, try to be friends, stop envying…….. jealousy will get you nowhere, and try to stand up and do something to distinguish you………. you may have the name “maceconia” because the Americans wanted that…… but you are lightyears away from being true Macedonians………. if you want to we can teach you how…… and don’t worry i’m not gay i can give you some phone numbers of girls in Skopje to verify that!!

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          • Peter V

            You claim we are not true macedonians and are you a macedonian? or a greek? well you choose one name and leave other? For sure you can not be both . You better keep “bisexual” for yourself.

        • Ral Cheva

          Everyone human comes from Africa…

        • Chevalier

          You’re outright racist….to all Mediterranean people…that look more or less the same.

      • Jasw Fgity

        noooo you dont now, Macedonian :)

      • Peter V

        Poor greeks , i feel so sorry about you guys. You do nothing in your lives but spending money to other countries and arguing with all your neighbours, when you’ll grow up ?

        • konstantinos

          It’ you who do nothing in your lives bozo……. what is your sorry little country famous for? who the fuck knows where you are on the map unless you say ” the small new country north of Greece”………… as for the neighbors we are the best you have…….. don’t come running for help when Albania and Bulgaria take a piece of you……

      • Jasmina

        Aristotelis, you’re wrong. Our names are MACEDONIANS, our country name is MACEDONIA, we speaks MACEDONIAN language. I’m sorry for you and your poor country. You are fool of dept, it will better if you think to your future, don’t bother with Macedonia. Anyway, its better if we say that you are South Macedonia, or Former Osmanlic republic of Grece?

        • FUCK FYROM

          Ask yourselves you stupid FYROM Rats, why would ALexnader the Great conquer all lands to HELLENIZE THEM . . you language is Bulgarian, if Alexander spoke this Bulgarian Dialect WE WOULD KNOW, He spoke greek, wrote greek, followed greek gods, used Greek Military tactics, united all the greek city-states to fight with him under one Army . . .Alexander the Greats ancestors took part in the GREEK olympic games which was STRICTLY for Greeks ONLY . . . All Macedonian names were Greek origin names . . . EVERY SINGLE ARTIFACT DISCOVERY OF THE KINGDOM USES GREEK LETTERS . . His teacher was the Greek Philosopher ARISTOTLE who was also born near Thessaloniki . . .If you told Alexander the Great himseld that he was related to the modern FYROMian RATS, he would slit your throat and wear your skin for a HAT

          • countrycentral

            As a macedonian… (don’t know why I still call myself like that… as a fyromian) I completely agree!

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            Hell no….no Macedonian would ever say that, so hell no…Macedonian, you? I do not think so!

      • Peter V
        • FUCK FYROM

          THat is the funniest thing I have seen all year, thank you ., . you people are a special kind of stupid

      • Monika Janchevska

        Typical for a greek to provoke ethnic hatred. Really funny tho, in a way that you can not decide what position to take, since Greece has claimed for years Macedonia is a part of it, and now you say the people living in Macedonian territories speak Bulgarian. Make up your mind, your ridiculous comment only shows how ignorant you are

        • FUCK FYROM

          The only people who promote ethnic hatred is your fake country . . you need to understand that Alexander the Great to Greek people is the founder of the Greek nation. Before alexander there was only Greek City-States that were always at war with each other. Alexander united all the city-states into one army and one Nation for the 1st time in History.

          When you Thieves take our Sacred Name and use it for your perveted false history THAT IS ETHNIC HATRED, no matter what you say.

          It seems like you people will not understand diplomacy and take reality for what it is, IF you just ACCEPT your real history, there is 1000x more HONOR and DIgnity than to Continue staying BRAINWASHED . . . Listen NOONE on EARTH thinks you people are Sane. You are the laughing stock of the entire world. Accept Reality and you will be allowed to join the EU, otherwise you will be the Red-headed stepchild of Europe.

          Eventually in 100-200 years when FYROM is 75%+ALbanian it will likely join Albania/Bulgaria as it was in the past . . . so I guess enjoy your false reality while you still can . .

          • Boj

            he has been dead for over 1000 years…you werent alive to witness shit all….do yourself a favour and go work on current trends….like the greek debt crisis you fool

          • FUCK FYROM

            Wrong, hes been dead for over 2,000 years. You FYROMIAN Rats came into your current land 1,000 years ago

          • Lillian Thompson

            hahaha you are very stupid, you sound like a retard, your words make no sense and you contradict your self all the time. Where do you get your facts? from kinder garden history class? get a grip dude.

          • konstantinos

            it’s kinder-garTen not garDen……… uneducated bitch!!!

          • Peter V

            Beside fat, short and black greek, I’ll attach plus a long dirty tongue.

          • Lillian Thompson

            Whatever retard number 2. By the way, I’m so happy to know that my comments are making you so upset, it’s a great joy reading your frustrated insults. An advice though, go get a real education, it seems your mother didn’t do a good job. ;)

          • konstantinos

            If two degrees in Engineering and Economics are not enough for you I’m sorry…… i will inform my mom she’ll be very unhappy

            2013/10/18 Disqus

          • Lillian Thompson

            Well, obviously “two degrees” in whatever didn’t do much for you and yeah I bet your mother would be very unhappy to learn that even after all that money invested in college you continue to be a caveman. You don’t need to apologise though, men like you only inspire woman like me to race better men so humanity’s future look brighter and with men giving a much more productive use of knowledge. By the way, having better skills on writing a foreign language doesn’t make you any better either. Been said that, my last message to you is a quote from Economist Adam Smith who said “Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience” good luck and good night.

          • konstantinos

            That was an irony……. wake up!

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          • Lillian Thompson

            You are A REAL SPECIAL CASE dude, I see you have nothing better to add, meaning my rhetoric beats your immaturity ;) Having a blast really :) anyways, last advice from me (and be thankful since its free) go out to the closest street, seat on the sidewalk beg for two coins and go buy yourself a life. Stop jerking off you may grow hair on your hand. End of conversation for me, don’t even bother on answering, cos I will not reply again, have better to do. Cheers :)

          • Candido Santos

            Love it hahahahahahahahhaah

          • Candido Santos

            hahahaha! another idiot with academic degree who thinks is intelligent!!! i would like to know what you boss thinks of you!

          • George Simonovski

            Plese compare the number fo Albanians 10 years ago and now in Greece

          • lenia

            even if your name is Greek!!!

          • konstantinos

            The Albanians came to WORK in Greece,,,,, they were economic immigrants….. but in your country they are an ETHNIC MINORITY…… do you know the difference?

      • Karol

        Aristotelis, my friend visited Greece and he said that all the Greeks looks like, has the same mentality and act as the people like in the Middle East and all the time he had that feeling that he is somewhere in the Middle East…

        • FUCK FYROM

          You filthy Rats came into What is now called “Macedonia” 1,000 years after Alexander the Great had died.

          Alexander the Great and his people spoke a local dialect of Greek, his ancestors took part in the Olympic games which were for GREEKS only, every artifact found from his kingdom is in Greek letters, they worshippe the Greek Olympus Gods, took part in Greek theater, music and other performance arts, Alexanders teacher was the greatest greek philospher in history ARISTOTLE, who was born near Alexanders home-town also, he HELLENIZED(google that you idiot Fyromian RATS) all the lands he conquered, HELLENIZED, not BULGARIANIZED like you RATS . . .

          FYROMIANS language is 99.999999% the same as Bulgarian, many bulgarians joke about how FYROM’ians are stupidest people alive who do not even realize this . . .

          After Alexander the Great died, his kingdom collapsed and his descendants stayed powerful in the GREEK city of Thessaloniki for the next 1,000 years.

          You FYROMIAN RATS entered the lands north of Greece during the Ottoman Push to the East to escape the masscared of your homeland in Bulgaria . .

          The sooner you stupid RATS, understand your history, maybe the sooner you guys can enter the EU and stop using Donkeys are your main transportation.

          SECOND TIME FOR YOU RAT

      • Peter V

        Lier

      • Aleksandar

        Our names are Macedonians, we speaks Maceddonian language and our country name is MACEDONIA!!!!!!!!!!!

        • FUCK FYROM

          You are brainwashed Bulgarian. 60% of your country is Slavic, 35% albanian and rest Turks

          • sase sas

            Former Otoman Republic of Greece is 70% Egyptions, 20% Pakistanians and 10% Africans

          • FUCK FYROM

            3 most Famous Greeks in the world = Jennifer Aniston, Zach Galifaniakis and Tina Fey.

            If you show me 3 Egyptians that look like them, than you win

          • sase sas

            Ancient Greeks were blonde, they had blues eyes, blonde skin and blonde hair. You are purposes black. You have nothing blonde on you, and little use Google, IGENEA Institute of Switzerland said that you are direct descendants of the Egyptians.

          • FUCK FYROM

            Only a Brainwashed FYROMIAN Albanibulgariansoki would say something that stupid.

            Greece, especially the southern Islands is one of the warmest places on the entire planet, Dark Hair and Olive Skin is very common there for tens of thousands of years. Northern Greeks are pale skin with light hair, brown/blonde.

            I am not sure if you have been to greece lately but Blond hair is extremely common in Greek people also, around 20-30% of male/females are natural blondes.

            Also Ancient Greeks were just like today, a mix of hair colors, skin tones. Greece is a widly diverse temperature range starting from tip of Northern Macedonia(real one, not Bulgarian refugee invention) to the southern Coast of Crete . . There is at least a 20 degree average temperature there you FYROMONSKI.

            Like I said, if you can find me an Egyptian that looks like Zach Galafanakis, Jenifer Aniston or Tina Fey I will stop talking and say you win.

            Also if you can find me an Ancient Macedonian Relic/Artifact that is not in Greek you win.

            Look . . you country was called Vardaska for hundreds of years until TITO came into power, the plan was to create a false Macedonian Nationality to create tensions with Greece and start a fake war between our countries, which will happen eventually.

            Your country is a joke to the entire world . . I talk to Serbians and when they bring up Macedonia we all have a good laugh how stupid you people are . . I have seen countless videos of your own people that say they dislike the false history taught . . . some people in your country are actually smart and understand what is going on . and they feel ashamed for it since it makes you all seem like delusional retards.

          • sase sas

            Your state has existed since 1830. Before Hellenic tribes lived in constant wars. Ancient Hellenes were not black like you.
            If not us, then who invented Tito previously lived in this territory?
            How we were called before a Yugoslavia?

          • FUCK FYROM

            Yes, Hellenic tribes were in constant wars. . . Sparta Vs Athens for almost 20 years, then soon after Macedonia gained the military Might to take on Athens/Thebes and WON under King Philip. Alexander the Great conquered Sparta after his Fathers death and created the Greek army of all FREE Greek people.

            When Alexander died the Kingdom collapsed and the Greek city-states went back to war with each other until the ROmans came when Greece was destroying itself from Civil War.

            Also, what greeks are black you brainwashed FYROMONSKI? LIke I said, the 3 most famous Greek people on Earth are Zach Galafanakis, Jennifer Aniston and Tina Fey . . if you can show me a “Black” person who looks like this, then you win the debate, it is very simple.

            The Macedonian Kingdom collapsed once Alexander died and his descendants became extremeley powerful Thessaloniki aristocrats under Roman Rule for the next 1,000 years. The descendants did not speak your Bulgarian Gypsy Language, they spoke GREEK and were treated like Greek Royalty.

            Watch this, Many of your country-men are ashamed for the radical False Nationalism in your country, THEY KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING AND ARE ASHAMED, Many famous FYROMIANS including Architects who build Skopje https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpOc3VYOBDI

            Here is more info on your countries past – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjd4BJkbChk

            You country was called VARDASKA BANOVINA for a thousand years, Skopje was the capital of this land, you people have a proud history, NOT MACEDONIAN HISTORY, Vardaska/Thracian History . . you will forever be joke of the world if you continue with your made up history

          • George Simonovski

            Why so much obsession and frustration with Macedonia? let them call themselves whatever they like . I can’t see what is the problem ???

          • konstantinos

            Have you ever heard my friend the term “intellectual property rights” or commonly “copyrights”?………. i cannot make my own computer company and name it “Apple”………. and what goes for companies or people goes – and even more so – for countries………. they can call themselves whatever they like but they must find something ORIGINAL……. not stollen…… if we could take this to a higher court we should definitely win the case…… monkeydonians don’t stand a chance…….. the problem is that they tried to solve this politically and not in a courtroom Americans wanted it so…… that is why there IS a country to begin with!!!!!

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            It is not uncommon for countries to unite in the event of war to deter a common enemy…you might want to visit more historic facts and learn a little theory called “tend-and-befriend,” something you obviously know nothing about!

          • sase sas

            Грците ги браниш или памет ќе ми солиш?

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            Hey…Sase, mi se cini deka nesto pogresno me razbirash! Ne branam nikogo, ako nisto drugo mozebi ke ti dade kmfor deka samo ednash sum bila vo Grcija na odmor so maz mi i nikogash poftorno zatoa sto imavme mnogu losho iskustvo! Od togash ne im sovetuvame na nikoj da si gi troshat parite tamu. Toa sto Grcija i pravi na Makedonija spored mene e nacinalistichki genocid…ne polosh od fizicki genocid! Ja mislam deka pogreshno i tebe te razbrav! Jas mislam deka ja narekuvash Makedonija Jugoslavija, sto ne e “tend-and-befriend” e voena teorija koja pretstavuva deka za vreme na vojna koga postoi zaednichki neprijatel zeni/vojnici/zemji imaat tendencija da se obedinuvaat za zaednichki zashtitnicki celi kako sto zemjite koi se obedinija kako Jugoslavija! Ja se izvinuvam za mojata greska i nedorazbiranje, no sepak ne gi pocituvam tvoite navredlivi zborovi nasoceni kon mene. Ti posakuvam sekoe dobro na tebe i site okolu tebe. Pozdrav i ako si vo Makedonija daj i baknez od mene oti mi go rezhe srceto sekoj mig sto ne sum vo nea.

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            p.s. se izvinuvam za loshata gramatika, dominantno koristam Angliski jazik vo svoeto sekojdnevie!

          • konstantinos

            Vardarska

          • Lillian Thompson

            Yeah, also gay people :)

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            I guess I should give my brother back to Greece since he has blue eyes, blond hair, and fair skin and I should go to Egypt…I need to let my mother know that she birth the wrong nationality child…oh wait, my mom is blond, fair skinned, and has blue eyes….I guess I was the wrong child…ups, no my mistake, must be my dad! No offense, but you absolutely do not make sense and not because of nationalism, just because you do not.

          • sase sas

            Со отворен фејсбук профил глумиш Гркиња? Колку си само проста а сакаш да се претставиш како начитана. Пари да не зимаш од некој за вака да се глупираш или имаш скренато?

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            @Sase…malku me zbuni! Jas ne sum Grkinka nitu sakam da bidam! Ja sum Makedonka za tvoja informacija, a toa sto pishuvam so otvoren facebook profil za razlika od mnogumina na ovoj forum jas ne se kriam pozadi lazni iminja i pseudonimi. Da, sum mnogu nacitana i imam patuvano dovolno da znam deka bojata na kozata, kosata, ili ocite ne se indikatori na toa od kade sme…mozebi bi sakal da znaesh deka vsushnost najnovite pronajdoci indiciraat deka prviot covek na svetot doaga od Afrika! No toa ne znaci deka imigracija i evolucija nemaat factor deka genetski lugeto so vreme se menuvaat. Pred izvesno vreme upoznav Afro-Amerikanci koi sopstvenoto rodeno dete ima sini oci i medova boja na kosa so svetla boja na koza. Deteto e genetski nivno i koga napravivme genogram doznavme deka nemaat voopsto nisto vo svojata genetska linija od belata rasa. Ne velam deka znam se, no znam dovolno deka percepcija ne e celosna ralnost! A za pari da zemam od nekoj, ne navistina ne zemam…imam dovolno pari da ziveam do 101 i nazad zaradi toa sto sum tolku nacitana i od toa sto procitav nauciv kako da napravam mnogu pari! A za tvoite grdi zborovi ti blagodaram i se nadevam deka eden den ke naucish kako da spodelish i nekoj ubav zbor zatoa sto mozebi ke dobiesh podobar rezultat! Sekoe dobro na tebe i site okolu tebe.

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            Oh wow….totalna greshka sega koga gledam…ti velish deka vo Grcija teshko da se najde covek so plavi oci i plava kosa!!! Jas razbrav deka sakash da kazesh vo Makedonija…ups!!! Sorry!!!Pozdravche ocigledno e vreme za mene da si legnam oti ne gledam dobro…tuka e skoro 2 nautro!

          • lenia

            we have brown and black hair as we are a Mediterranean country like Italians Spanish etc.But there are blonde people as well!!Do you know what is Mediterranean?Do you know what is the sea?Or you never went swimming?hahahahaha

          • sase sas

            Yes, exactly, you are black, and did not like the ancient Hellenes. They were blond. You are migrants from Egypt. Every summer I go to the Aegean Sea at Halkidiki. Did you know that before 1948 Aegean Macedonia was inhabited by Macedonians and Turks, and that you have expelled Macedonians to the north, and Muslims made ​​exchange of populations with Turkey, they gave you the Christians of Asia Minor on the Aegean coast, and you them Turkish population.

          • lenia

            exactly!You come to Greece to swim in the Aegean sea!Poor tourists in your country cant find sea to swim there… :( and btw did you see and ancient greek and you say they were blond??Some of them yes some of them no!And we are not black…white skin brown or black hair=Mediterranean=you will always be jealous of that!
            The exchange of populations was much earlier at 1920 after the destroy in Anatolia or Asia Minor.Turkey destroyed most of greek cities in Asia Minor like Smyrna etc but thats another issue not your business.

          • sase sas

            Aegean Sea is our.
            I have blue eyes, blonde skin and blonde hair.

          • konstantinos

            and nothing inside your head obviously…….

          • sase sas

            and something hard inside your ass obviously

          • Ral Cheva

            The ancient Greeks looked about the same as the modern Greeks, Sashe. We know that not only because they said it but also because the pigmentation of the ancient Greek statues has been analysed and almost all of them had brown hair and brown eyes. That the ancient Greeks were blond and blue-eyed was another one of Hitler’s inventions meant to claim a relation between the ancient Greeks and the Germans.

          • Make

            Hey DEBT Ass instead of sending comments here why don’t u get a job to pay your country debt…I’m blond with blue eyes like my ancestors how do u look u lazy debt,sucking other countries money rat…have a pleasant working week..

          • konstantinos

            i’m sure that someone in your family, a relative or a friend works for a Greek company you clown………. 40% of your pathetic little country is owned by Greek investors…… you depend on us you fucks……. and if we have debt is our business and our problem…….. at least we had some VERY GOOD 30 years……. you’ll never know that not in your next life……. cheap bastards!

          • Make

            A joke: Every German worker has to support :His family,some kind of pet and finally one Greek :)

          • lenia

            You ignore that Germans killed thousands of Greeks during World War II and they destroyed most of our villages and cities and they still own compensation!!!

          • konstantinos

            you mean that during the ottoman empire Egyptian people came here but they didn’t come to your country because you are very brave and you stopped them…….. History books are full of your bravery like when the Germans marched through the Balkans…….. they passed by your country in one afternoon …..even had time to stop for some schnapps, fuck one or two of your girls and move to their target which was……….. surprise…….. GREECE !!!! wonder why??

          • sase sas

            They fucked our girls one afternoon, and then greeks 4 years.

          • eh

            At least we’re not Greek!
            I don’t reply to posts but its ppl like you with your racist rants that are destroying humanity.
            get over it. maybe concern yourself over greeces’ unemployment and poverty. Alexander isn’t here to save the greeks nor the Monians. Sort yourself out and d-discuss issues that matter today not centuries ago
            half of my husbands mates are Greek and guess what…no ones gives a Shit about it….they’re not stuck in their grandparents Era or way of thinking
            we’ve all got other issues to be dealing with in todays world!

          • eh

            Macedonians*

        • lenia

          If so,do you know what your name means???

          • lenia

            Alexander (/ˈæləksˈændər/, /ˈæləksˈɑːndər/) is a common male first name, and less common surname derived from the Greek”Αλέξανδρος” (Aléxandros). The most famous is Alexander the Great, who created one of the largest empires in ancient history.

            Etymologically, the name is derived from the Greek “Αλέξανδρος” (Aléxandros), meaning “defending men”[1] or “protector of men”, a compound of the verb “ἀλέξω” (alexō), “to ward off, to avert, to defend”[2] and the noun “ἀνδρός” (andros), genitive of “ἀνήρ” (anēr), “man”.[3] It is an example of the widespread motif of Greek (or Indo-European more generally) names expressing “battle-prowess”, in this case the ability to withstand or push back an enemy battle line.[citation needed]

            The earliest attested form of the name is the Mycenaean Greek feminine noun a-re-ka-sa-da-ra (transliterated as Alexandra), written inLinear B syllabic script.[4][5][6]

            The name was one of the titles (“epithets”) given to the Greek goddess Hera and as such is usually taken to mean “one who comes to save warriors”. In the Iliad, the characterParis is known also as Alexander.[7] The name’s popularity was spread throughout the Greek world by the military conquests of King Alexander III, commonly known as “Alexander the Great”. Most later Alexanders in various countries were directly or indirectly named for him.

        • lenia

          Etymology[edit]Look up Macedonia in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

          The name “Macedonia” derives from the tribal name of the ancient Macedonians, attested in Greek sources as Μακεδόνες (Makedōnes). It is usually linked to the Indo-European root *māk-, meaning ‘long’ or ‘tall’. The root is also encountered in the Greek words makednos”long, tall”, (attested in Homer, and recorded by Hesychius of Alexandria as a Doric word meaning “large”), or makros (‘long, large’), as well as related words in other Indo-European languages. It is commonly explained as having originally meant ‘the tall ones’ or ‘highlanders’.[1] R.S.P. Beekes claims that the morphological analysis make- (root) + -dnos (suffix) is impossible in an Indo-European word and that it is more likely that the word has a Pre-Greek origin.[2]

          In Greek mythology, Makednos was the eponymic ancestor of the Macedonians. He is described as a grandson of Deucalion and nephew to Hellen, the ancestor of the Greeks(according to Hesiod), or as a son to Aeolus, the ancestor of the Aeolians (according to Hellanicus).[3]

        • konstantinos

          what does your name “aleksandar” mean in your “macedonian” language my friend

      • SmartOne

        And U are the bigest freak for telling that… Macedonia is not Bulgarian… Bulgaria and Greece are Macedonian ;)

        • FUCK FYROM

          You filthy Rats came into What is now called “Macedonia” 1,000 years after Alexander the Great had died.

          Alexander the Great and his people spoke a local dialect of Greek, his ancestors took part in the Olympic games which were for GREEKS only, every artifact found from his kingdom is in Greek letters, they worshippe the Greek Olympus Gods, took part in Greek theater, music and other performance arts, Alexanders teacher was the greatest greek philospher in history ARISTOTLE, who was born near Alexanders home-town also, he HELLENIZED(google that you idiot Fyromian RATS) all the lands he conquered, HELLENIZED, not BULGARIANIZED like you RATS . . .

          FYROMIANS language is 99.999999% the same as Bulgarian, many bulgarians joke about how FYROM’ians are stupidest people alive who do not even realize this . . .

          After Alexander the Great died, his kingdom collapsed and his descendants stayed powerful in the GREEK city of Thessaloniki for the next 1,000 years.

          You FYROMIAN RATS entered the lands north of Greece during the Ottoman Push to the East to escape the masscared of your homeland in Bulgaria . .

          The sooner you stupid RATS, understand your history, maybe the sooner you guys can enter the EU and stop using Donkeys are your main transportation.

        • ivanIv

          ahahha.!! and God is also Macedonian..pretty much the Earth was a Macedonian idea, right?

      • Ману Силва

        stupidis grekis… Aristotelis, if they speak bulgarian U speak chinese…

      • anabela ana

        nope, you are totally wrong .That is Bulgaria that you talking about. Republic of Macedonia is totally different in culture,background, language,food….

        • ivanIv

          are you serious for saying that macedonian is not similar to bulgarian ?

        • konstantinos

          TOTALLY? TOTALLY?……….. how messed up are you in your mind? there nothing original in your country, everything is similar to some other neighbor’s culture, language, food…..

      • me

        Poor greeks are scared that we might take some tourists from them. Ah, the things being penniless will do to people…

        • http://friendlybit.com Emil Stenström

          One greek, not all of them.

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            true that….I dislike generalizations since I have met good Greeks, mostly in the States though, and some really bad ones in Europe, but then I have met good and bad of every single nationality…so you have a point. The funny thing is that the only time I hear the whole name and nationality battle is back in Europe…in the States or the Islands it seems nobody really cares if you are Macedonian or Greek, I wonder if it is because we are both outcasts in a new country so we tend-and-befriend in order to survive and preserve the common cultural grounds we have. Huh, I think I might have my next research project for my thesis….thanks Emil!

        • konstantinos

          please tell us…… you are penniless all your lives, so inform the others, do some good……. it’s the only thing you can contribute to humanity!

      • me

        Aristotelis, I was trying to say something nice about my country, so that someone might see it and consider visiting or at least research it, and you have raped my comment. For that, you are a bad person and I hate you. You have just shown what the Greeks are really about. Go f*** yourself!

      • George Simonovski

        A very cheap shot -;(

      • Ману Силва

        Fuck off gaygreek…

      • Ral Cheva

        And they use the Bulgarian alphabet to write….

      • macedonian

        you have been there or you think that you have been there …. and see what?

    • Adriano Sami Kamoun

      send flight ticket i will come show me how much you are friendly hahahhaa :D

      • Predrag

        “Send you a flight ticket”??? The poor ones don’t have money to even cover their daily needs… They wouldn’t even pay your ticket when they expulse you from their country! :D

        • Adriano Sami Kamoun

          don’t insult people my friend :)

          • Predrag

            Insulting people – ME??? I was just trying to enforce YOUR OWN ridicule on their address, but as it seems you didn’t get the joke. Well in that case I guess you’d just feel fine surrounded by typical Macedonians. So come on in here as soon as they send you the money for a flight ticket. :D

          • me

            “their” or “our”

          • Predrag

            From Adriano’s point of view it’s “their”.
            Besides, when it comes to our local idiocy, I ommit saying “we”, “us” or “our”. I feel myself included in NORMAL issues and events, not in a fake History or a sick-minded behaviour. ;)

          • me

            but you were talking here about how poor “they” are and not about views on politics, history… etc… People like you and countrycentral never cease to amaze me… When I’m away from home I always miss it so badly i want to cry

      • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

        Adriano…say hi to my lovely Dubai from me….I miss it so much :) Take care.

    • Austin Nelson

      Is Macedonia a great country for English speaking people?

      • maria

        yes :)

      • me

        People like tourists from the west in general. All of the young people speak english, and all of the older people either speak english, or will try to communicate anyway :)

        • konstantinos

          The older people speak english? MERCY PLEASE!!!!!

      • Predrag

        Come and see for yourself. In case you can’t, just read some blogs where Macedonians constantly fight, oppose and offend English speaking people as well as other Macedonians. :D

        • Ral Cheva

          There is enough offence and racism below. I think that the friendly and welcoming card played in the article is being negated below.

      • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

        Yes Austin it is…English is thought from primary til high school and after that it is optional. There are people who do not speak English, but generally 2 out of 3 people do, so you will be able to get by. However, from the picture I am guessing that you are still in high school and if you wish to visit I do suggest visiting with a parent or at least connect with the American community there for guidance. If you ever consider do let me know and I can point out a great community resources there for English speakers. Take care.

        • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

          ups I wrote thought…i meant taught :P oh well it is past 1 am and time for bed as it is obvious in my thought process :)

        • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

          Thanks for revealing the English situation in Macedonia, that’s always a big question for us English-only speakers so this is very helpful :)

      • Lillian Thompson

        It is Austin! and you will find everybody very helpful.

  • ABEDA

    You come here and see. Everywhere in Macedonia there s a different choices to make.
    From the Capital Skopje to the smallest village in the country .. The country is small (if you are alternative bike rider this is country for you) so its quick to see it all actually in max 3 day s. Its like Switzerland but lot more cheaper for mountain s lovers :D ..Ah… Did i mention great food?(i guess i did :) ) ?

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  • sase sas

    Come to Macedonia and visit Skopje, the hometown of Justinian, visit the Ohrid lake, oldest natural lake in Europe, protected by UNESCO. Come in Veles to see the houses of the 19th century that have a specific architecture. Ancient cities Stobi and Heraclea. Try specific foods such as Tavce beans, Turlitava, Musaka, Sarma, try specific Ohrid trout. If you love skiing go to Shar Planina or Mavrovo.

    • пријател

      Tavce beans офффф каков цреп си ти пријателе ццц…

      • sase sas

        кажи бе тенџере шо те мачи

        • пријател

          Не се преведуваат традиционалните јадења бе цреп еден.Треба да си стои оргиналното име само на латиница “tavce gravce”.

          • sase sas

            Ако вака повеќе ќе знаат за каков вид јадење станува збор.

          • sase sas

            вака барем ќе знаат за каков вид на јадење станува збор

    • countrycentral

      When you invite someone to macedonia you should also be a decent human being and warn him about all the dangers and what he should expect to see in his visit.

      When you come to macedonia you should expect to see a lot of trash scattered around everywhere. Hygiene level is low and not very substantial. You will also see a lot of people digging in the dumpsters for food, clothing, plastic bottles, metal objects etc. Please don’t mind if you see someone eating by the dumpster, as there are people that have a medical condition and no one cares about them. Please don’t use the train station as it stinks on pee and the trains never arrive on time, often they break half way to the destination.

      Don’t ever think to cross the bridge and go to the north side of Skopje (Bit Pazar, Cair, Gazi Baba,). Muslims living on this side of town are mountain savages waiting for a victim. You might be threaten with a gun or a knife to give away all your money, jewelry, watch.

      Be very careful when you exchange money and always request a bill when you eat somewhere. Money exchange offices will often give you less money and if restaurants see that you are foreign, they’ll try to bill you 3 times the cost. Same goes with cheap motels.

      These suggestions apply everywhere in the country. In Ohrid, citizens are not very polite and they will definitely try to rip you off if they find you a foreign tourist.

      Best cities to visit are: Strumica – Nice parties, nice people, beautiful girls; Gevgelija – Big Casinos, very clean and calm city, you can easily rest and enjoy; Krusevo – Small mountain town with a beautiful history; Berovo – This city is a macedonian GEM! The air is the cleanest freshest air you’ll ever inhale in your life. The lake is mesmerizing. I’ve heard some older people have permanently moved there after first visit.

      Keep in mind that people here live in poverty. We struggle to survive every day. Our children often wear the same worn off clothes for many years. Our politicians steal all the money from the people and move them to offshore bank accounts. Money laundry is a very common and serious issue here. That is why we have poor education, poor medical attention, lots of pollution and so on…

      P.S. Please be very careful not to hurt yourself while you are visiting macedonia. You will not get proper medical attention and things might get worse.

      Поздрав од реален фиромец

      • me

        My guess is you’ve never been out of Macedonia, or you just hate yourself. I have seen waaaaaay more homeless people in many European and US cities that I have been too. I’ve seen a man sleeping in a dumbster in Phoenix, and on the train and in the metro stations in Vienna, I was seriously afraid of all the punks skinheads or whatever they were. Also in Vienna I saw one of them throwing up on the metro rails and then falling a sleep on the ground. And they also seemed more dangerous then the poor we see on the streets in Skopje. The homeless people I saw in Budapest were beyond creepy.

        Its true though, that in some parts of Macedonia communal hygiene is not the Best, but what can we do, we’re just poor, and that’s the reality.

        As for pickpockets and being ripped off, I guess you haven’t been to Prague, Madrid, Bulgaria, Romania etc (not that these places are not beautiful, but you do have to take good care of your belongings when you go there). And the people in Ohrid are rude to people from Skopje, or maybe from other Macedonian towns as well, but I don’t think they’re like that with westerners.

        And as for the Albanian ghetto in Skopje, that’s dangerous for Macedonians who don’t know their way around it, but Albanians LOVE westerners, so its no problem for them I guess.

        • countrycentral

          “Albanians LOVE westerners” yeah, cos big money comes from ripping off westerners ;) We know that, no need to mention. Albanians are the worst scum on the Balkan and everybody knows that.

          Bulgaria, Romania, same shit. I’m talking about Macedonia, not other underdeveloped countries.

          “Its true though, that in some parts of Macedonia communal hygiene is not the Best, but what can we do, we’re just poor, and that’s the reality.”
          - Some parts? What to you mean not the best? Only places with higher hygiene lvl I know off are Berovo, Delcevo, Gevgelija, and that’s it. Trust me, I’ve been in every corner of this country.

          And about the global cities you mentioned. Did you take in consideration that those are couple of million citizens cities ? Homeless people can be seen all around the world, but talking about the ratio between homeless and population, Skopje is a leader!

          And btw, I live in Orlando, FL.

          • me

            You live in Florida and your talking about safety in Macedonia??? There are some really f… u. places around miami. I know, I’ve been there. Immigrants that don’t speak any english at all, crime, scary faces… Schizophrenics walking down the street or in public places talking to themselves… Hahaha oh my god… And all the old people everywhere. I wouldn’t recommend Florida to anyone. And when was the last time you came to Macedonia? And where are you from, by the way?

            And, when I say some places, I mean some places. Its true for example that Vardar is an eco-catastrophy, So is Veles. But treska and radika are OK. The ohrid and prespa Lake are much cleaner now then they were 10 years ago. Most of the nature is undisturbed. Shutka, Topaana, chair etc. are extremely dirsty, Karpos is moderately dirty, Aerodrom is much cleaner than it was in the past, and the center is as polluted as any city center.

            And I really do think that the ratio of homeless to population in Skopje is lower than most cities I’ve been to. But, that doesn’t even matter. Even if the ratio is the same and the difference comes from the difference in population, that still means that those places have more people that are not well taken care of in life and could resort to crime, so its more dangerous.

            I’m not saying that Macedonia is the best country to live in, I’m just saying that its not as bad as you people make it sound, and its a nice place to visit, and I’m glad that Kimeshan’s algorithm spat it out on first place. Its particularly good for young people who don’t care much for luxury, and just want to have a good time.

            And also, all of the foreigners that I’ve met in Macedonia have told me that they like the fact that its cheap and fairly safe, and also many have told me that they like the hospitality.

            And by the way, I think you know that lovely american saying very well ‘if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all’.

      • me

        “Muslims living on this side of town are mountain savages waiting for a
        victim. You might be threaten with a gun or a knife to give away all
        your money, jewelry, watch” Trust me, its much more likely for this to happen to you in a big European city than in чаир.

      • Lillian Thompson

        Well, isn’t that happening everywhere? unless you live in Scandinavia or in another earth. As far as I know world economics are in crisis, including the strongest ones ;)

      • eh

        Wtf… just returned from Macedonia 3 weeks ago and was not afraid for my safety, didn’t catch a disease or get robbed…bit of an exaggeration on your part. Have you been to Thailand where you need immunisations, drink only bottled water, poor sanitation?
        Or bora bora in Tahiti that is also apart from the resorts poor, dirty and 3rd world? they are aazing places to see and experience..yes I’ve been to all including Europe and America.

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      I like the sound of Ohrid trout!

      • Lillian Thompson

        Yeah its really good, you should try it :) and Ohrid is like a town out of a tale :)

      • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

        Kimeshan….we are going to Macedonia Summer 2015 if you decide to come we would love to show you around!

        • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

          Hey Renata. Summer 2015 sounds good, you can invite me on Facebook (www.facebook.com/kimeshan) and we’ll keep in touch. It will be good to meet you guys!

  • Postcard

    Please AVOID MOROCCO!
    We were harassed in the streets. They kept giving us the wrong change and threatening us. They treat western women like street prostitutes. They never, never leave you alone in the market and try to take your money.
    Morocco is a nightmare, bad news for travellers and tourists who want to relax.

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      Thanks for the information on Morocco, I’m sure many people would find it useful

    • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

      almost sounds like Malaysia…I had such a horrible experience there…my husband almost lost it on one man….my husband is a prior Marine and could have hurt the guy without trying. I ended up being more scared for the guy that harassed me, than myself at that point. However, not the most friendly place in the world for western women!

  • Jasw Fgity

    MacedoniaN <3 AJVAR MMMM

  • Aleksandar Milanov

    goddammit how is this possible .always when Macedonia is mentioned in some post/article or whatever it’s, there is always some Greek as “Aristotelis” to say something bad. is already bored. “Macedonia is Greek no Macedonia is Macedonia” bla bla bla never ending conversation … but that is
    no offense but get a Life. Read the post if you liked commented if you dont back to youtube or 9gag chill out goddammit watch sout park
    BTW nice post Kimeshan

    • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

      Love South Park !!!! I think South Park authors would have a field day with this back and forth.

  • Peter V

    I feel real sory for our neighbours Greece, we are so close but far away . Have a look youtube http://www.journeyman.tv/?lid=65315

  • Peter V

    well well, m y comments gone away? good lock guys

  • Peter V

    you choose what to be seen?
    come on ……

  • Peter V

    fell sory about you, poor man…

  • Makedonija

    And I thought there could be one single discussion about Macedonia without our delightful neighbors bringing in the politics, nationalism and hatred, sending the primary point straight to hell. I stand corrected.
    Anyways, Macedonia’s cool all in all, and for an outsider maybe quite interesting.
    You should probably come in the autumn, if you decide to. Than you won’t feel so bad when you go home with +12 kilos. Our food is healthy, tastes awesome and has extra calorie boost! :D

    • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

      Oh do not get me started…I cry every time we leave Macedonia because of the tasty food…when we get back to the States I cry like a baby because the tomatoes smell and taste like fish because they are genetically modified and injected with fish genetic code to last longer! Oh wow I need to stop cause I can imagine myself getting online and buying a flight ticket right now :)

  • Predrag

    Oh yeah, just feel free to visit Macedonia.
    Once you’ve done it and stayed here for 3 months – provided you’d keep
    it so long, without running away head-over-heals after the first month -
    you’ll be able to make your own judgement about how cheap, safe or
    friendly this country is. But, please, keep in mind that you’d have to
    live here not as a tourist BUT LIKE A MACEDONIAN – meaning you’d have to try to find a job,
    to live with your 200 Euro – not 2000 Euro, that you’d have as a tourist
    coming from a rich country – further to wait in a line LIKE A
    MACEDONIAN to see your doctor and get treated by him in a DECENT way, to
    buy some medicine – or to be more precise to be able TO FIND IT in the
    first place – then to have your daily rest or your nightly calmness
    despite all that wild yelling of your neighbours or many passangers that
    would either just walk by your window or even take a seat close to it
    and scream, laugh, quarrel or vomit there as long as you don’t chase
    them away, or to try to ask ANYONE (Police included) for assistance when
    you realize that your neighbours’ dogs (both in plural) don’t stop
    barking while you’re trying to get some sleep at night, or when you have
    to walk among stray-dogs whether you go to the shop or to your work,
    from early in the morning till late in the night, when you get home
    drunk from and happy with your rich night-life, full of sexy young girls
    that are always ready to fulfill any of your wishes so they can get
    some money to cover their joblessness… Or to realize that the Police
    never reacts to your complaints… Or buy you a cup of coffee or a beer in the very center of Skopje and pay them CHEAPER than in your own country… Or buy any piece of clothing – especially a top-modern one! – and pay it CHEAPER than in your own country… or try to find a public toilet, be it in Skopje’s very centre or anywhere else in this highly civilized country, and once you’ve managed to find one, PAY for the advantage of not having paper, hot water – or water at all – and of smelling the “fresh” air inside the “toilets” while pulling up your DIRTY trousers… Or travel by bus to ANY destination inside the country, accompanied by crying babies, air-resistent windows or broken top-loops… Or lie comfortably in the beach enjoying a sun-bathe beside a running&yelling Macedonian youth
    playing football 30 inces behind your feet… Or try to find a shower mechanism on the beach… or a toilet…
    These things are just some of
    the large number of situations that you’re going to face – AND BE
    COMPELLED TO LIVE WITH – during your “pleasant” stay in this “cheapest, friendliest
    and safest country in the world”. ;)

    • Ману Силва

      idiot, you who never set foot in a rich country, people earn a lot of money, but they spend just as much! If you are unemployed, you do not need to go to sleep at 8 pm … You criticize your country, but you do not know the reality of others around you … I’m not Macedonian! But I’ve already spent quite some time in MACEDONIA

      • Predrag

        Oh yes, you ARE from Macedonia – your bad way of talking and your lack of intelligible reasoning prove that, apart of your FB profile… Tell me, how many of your own country-men do you have to insult and intimidate in a month to get those 20 or 30 Euro from your “employer”? :) )

    • Ангел Соневски

      Don’t be such an anti-patriot, I agree our pays are low, but to compensate the prices are quite low as well, the kids are rowdy, but they are in every other country as well, especially “rich” ones.

      • Predrag

        Angel, I AM a patriot. Anti-patriots are those who never talk reasonably, always offending, cursing or even threatening the Greeks, the Bulgarians or the Albanians – as well as their own country-men who’re calling the situation in our country by name.

        If you live in Macedonia, you know for yourself that our low monthly earnings can NEVER be compensated by the prices, since they are FAR from being “low”, as you say. Most of the products here are more expensive than in Germany, for instance.

        Our kids are rowdy, yes, unlike the kids in ANY normal country in the world. In normal countries with a normal population – like it is Greece or Bulgaria, for instance, beside all those central European countries, where terms like “culture”, “politeness”, “behaviour”, “honesty” or “conscience” are not just fictive, as is the case in Macedonia, MOST of the kids are well educated, and they never yell like mad even while arguing! Our kids however yell and screem even while playing games or talking to each other! That’s not just a lack of education, it’s even a sign of mental illness! And that, my dear friend, is not the case with only a few Macedonian kids, but with over 90% of them all. No wonder, btw, since all their parents have been “teaching” them lately was to “defend” our country’s name by mentioning it 5 times in a 6-word-sentence, yelling it aloud at every meeting, cursing all our neighbouring countries and calling their people names, buying them plastic helmets, shields and swords, just to make them identify with something that has never been a part of our past, and teaching them how to fight or to chase women.

        All that is the shere opposite of patriotism. ;)

        • me

          Do you hate kids or smth? Jesus, get over yourself. You are not presentable at all…

          • Predrag

            I give you that. I’m really not presentable to people who can never get the point of anything, that’s why I haven’t been taken for serious or employed for decades by this people of ours. Out of my whole writing above, that totally coresponds with the facts, you were able to see that “I hated kids”. Well, such a huge misinterpretation of a text might surprise many non-Macedonians, but it doesn’t surpise me, since I’ve become used to that irrational way of quasi-reasoning that most of the people in Macedonia are subject to. The reasons for that are clear beyond any doubt – they are a logical and inevitable consequence of a completely wrong home&school education, as well as of our long lasting cooperation with the Serbs. “S kim si – takav si” – In English: You’re like the people you hang on with. So, please spare me your “specialized” comments and qualifications, I’m too old for that childish blah-blah.

          • Lillian Thompson

            Well I do get that, but believe me, it happens in many other places, why don’t you try to work abroad maybe? I know by experience that comparing your life in different places reinforce positive thoughts about the place you come from.

          • Predrag

            Lillian Thompson, I used to work at a great firm in a West European country for a long time, and I was paid very well there. I know the difference between people who can THINK AND WORK on one side and Macedonians on the other, who have never known or done anything but lie, provoke, offend, hurt, take odvantage of and even rob ALL people, including their own ones. You know what? Why don’t you simply come and live in Macedonia for 3 years? In case you manage to stay here that long – which I bet you won’t – and still don’t get insane – which is possible if you have a very stable psyche – you’ll know that difference too. ;)

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            You know what Mr. Predrag….there is a solution to the noise issues you may have. Have you considered moving to the country side? I hate the noise of a big city as well and for that reason we moved to the out skirts of the town. There are a lot of surrounding villages in Skopje that are very quite. We have a family house and land in one of them and it is just like heaven and it takes us only 30-45 minutes with the bus to be back in the city. I sleep like a baby there,too. However, the noise issue you have it everywhere you go in any city in the world. As far as your last statements. I have met plenty of foreigners who have lived in Macedonia and on Macedonian salary for over 2 years. I actually have two friends who moved from the States there and actually got their citizenship cause they loved it so much…they do not get American salaries, in fact they get your average Macedonian salary. Oh, by the way, they do not work with the government at all I promise you that. I wonder why do you refer to Macedonians as them, when you identify as a Macedonian? This is a very confusing pattern for me. I am also very confused that even though you state that you are unemployed you manage to have a functioning computer and internet connection…how does that work? We actually wanted to move and start a family there, unfortunately my husband’s Macedonian is very poor and he would not be able to finish his education…but I can assure you that a man,talking about my husband, who has no familiar connections does not buy an apartment in a country that is that bad as you portray it to be! I do wish you well and hope that whatever you have a problem with gets resolved, however, I would suggest that you seek that help from family, friends, professionals, and so forth. Take care.

          • Predrag

            Renata, this is my last reply befor I finally go to bed :)

            You’re mentioning so many things here, I don’t know what to start with. Ok, I’ll start with my reffering to the Macedonians as “they” or “them”.

            You know, when it comes to problems, caused BY THE MACEDONIANS (who, btw, should solve problems rather than create them), I do not identify with them. I only include myself when it comes to NORMAL activities. That’s why you can find both, “We” and “They” in my texts.

            Besides, you shouldn’t be over-confused by that, for the simple fact that everyone talks like that occasionally, regardless their personal reasons. You too have such a moment in your sentence “I actually have two friends who moved from the States there and actually got their citizenship cause they loved it so much..”.

            As for the “help” that “I may need” – you know, apart of the fact that ANYONE needs help or assistance once in a while, the stress in this whole issue that we’re trying to analyze is not on me, but on the Country called Macedonia, or on its people, to be more precize. Why would I need any help concerning a constant noice, if people were normal and Institutions were interfering in order to solve problems instantly? Do I really need to MOVE because the Police NEVER reacts to anyone’s calls, or because some of my neighbours have gone nuts? Would THAT be a REAL SOLUTION? Of course not. And that is one of the hearts of Macedonia’s problem. They never do anything to make things work, but they expect YOU to either seek a proffesional help for “YOUR” problem, or to leave your place. And that’s beyond any doubt FAR from “friendliness”. As a fact, it not only isn’t friendly, it is SICK in the first place.

            And, as for those Americans who have moved to Macedonia, I don’t want to judge them since I don’t know them. I can only imagine that they are either proffessionally bound to this area, or are sort of “lukewarm” (po nashki kazhano: povrshni, lugje koi trcaat po zabavi, seks i sl.) and not interested in the sense of life and its gravity. What I know for sure is that Macedonia has been mostly chosen as a land for investment by people with a dubious nature making dubious businesses. Really serious people with really serious and productive businesses are AVOIDING Macedonia, since they’re very well aware of the way “business” is being done there. As you very well know, you can’t talk about a serious business first sitting and later lying in an inn, drinking alkohol, listening to the Serbian Turbo-folk music and exchanging looks with a half-naked female singer… What you can do in such an atmosphere is QUASI business, the kind of has almost always been the case in this Republic Of Wonders (allusion to Alice’s Wonderland). I can hardly think of a really serious and civil business that has been done here for a long time. Just think of “Bitolska (or was it Prilepska?) Mlekarnica” and her Israeli owner, who disappeared a year later, leaving the workers unpaid and the State tax-less, or of the actuall Indian “businessman” who has started “turning Macedonia into Sahara” – to tell it in his own words. There is no end to all those machinations that have taken place in this “preferable” country of ours… :)

          • Lillian Thompson

            Wow! thanks for the invitation Predrag, Let me know when you wont be living there and I’ll start packing right away! :D Poor you, I can tell “Macedonians” really upset your psyche :/ Don’t go back there, you will be making a favour to both you and the country itself. :D By the way, this is a free world, you can choose to believe whatever you want dear same as the rest, but don’t throw your garbage outside your bin, that’s contaminating ;) Cheers. :)

          • Predrag

            In case you’re a Macedonian working for the Government or any other Macedonian Institution, enjoy your monthly sallary of a couple of hundred Euro and keep on promoting (your) “Switzerland on the Balkans” as long as it exists. In case you don’t belong to them, then just come over and start the most turbulent adventure that you’ll ever have in life. Who knows, maybe you’ll be lucky enough so as to survive phisically and mentally. In that spirit I’m sending you all my best wishes. ;)

          • Lillian Thompson

            Hey! You are so kind, thanks for the advice or whatever you want to call it :) I have been in Macedonia as I said before and I will definitely go back one day. That country that you call “Switzerland of the Balkans” perhaps in reference of the beautiful mountain and lake scenery :) has given me some of the sweetest memories in my travel experience, despite of the negativity of some people :D “In that spirit” Thanks for the advice, not needed really but thanks for the concern ;)

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            Ain’t that the truth Lillian! Here is the outlook somewhere else form a non-employed student’s perspective in the States (2 people in a household):

            rent $930/month
            food $450/month
            gas $250/month (on a good month)
            TV&Internet $140/month
            Phone $98/month
            Electric $150/month
            Water $90/month
            Insurance $110/month
            Medical Insurance for 1 person (not full coverage) $93/month
            Dental insurance with a $2000 deducible(means they pay after you spend $2000) $38/month
            Life insurance $80/month
            Other (e.g. repairs) $200/month
            Entertainment(once or twice a month) $150

            Total cost of living in a small town in the States just with basic expenses: $2779

            Total monthly income as a student: $200 from scholarships

            Minimal wage in the States $7.25 if both me and my husband worked we would be making $2320 before taxes and about $2088 after taxes which leaves the other $700 not accounted for….heaven help us if we get sick there is the $150 doctors visit, then $100 for medication, and so on!

            I asked my brother if he would like to move too the States and his answer was hell no, I will stay here in Macedonia. I do not blame him, it is very expensive to live here!

            Now that I think about it that is the way in Macedonia too…I remember my mom made like $200 when I was growing up, but our expenses were like $400…I never understood how she made it, but now I kinda do…you manage and cut everywhere possible…I am grateful that my husband and I worked for 10 years before deciding to further our education and now we do not have to worry so much about money. But that is not the normal pattern in any of the countries I have lived!

          • Lillian Thompson

            You’re right, I wouldn’t move there either to be honest :(

          • me

            Ok, listen, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to offend you, you clearly are not feeling very well, but this is not the place for this discussion. I’m sure you have friends and family who would gladly listen to your problems all day long…

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            I do hope you find a job that would make you happy and a better outlook in life!

          • Predrag

            Much obliged, but you obviously miss my whole point. Me – or us – not having a job here is EXACTLY THAT what I’m talking about here. You know, a country that is supposed to be “the most friendly” one in the world, should take care of its own citizens, as well as of the others, so they may visit it more and more often. But what has Macedonia done all the time? Instead of taking care for its own population, it has not only ROBBED them, but even made them THE JOKE OF THE ENTIRE WORLD. So it’s no wonder over 200,000 Macedonians have addopted Bulgarian citizenship – not to talk of all those, who have fled abroad only to save themselves from misery and/or sanctions for not being consistent with those never-ending State’s phantasmagorias and people’s primitivism. :)

        • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

          I do apologize, I can write this to you in English and Macedonian if you would like, but I do not mean to bring you down as a person, but I do need to bring you down to earth at least. I went to school in Macedonia and I never learned what you mention in your last paragraph. I also have visited over 60 countries and lived on 4 continents and can tell you that each country has its own cultural guidelines as far as politeness, behavior, etc. Heck, I had a total cultural shock the first time I moved to the UAE, Malaysia, or even the States. Finally, I work in the mental health field and I am specializing in it…I can tell you that children are suppose to be loud when they play, not artificial. It is called energy distribution. As far as mental health, it is not uncommon in developing countries to have a lower rate of mental health diagnosis due to the negative stigma, but I was in Macedonia this May and as a mental health professional I must say I have no idea to what you are referring.

          p.s. I am more than willing to oblige and give you examples of real mental health illness examples amongst children since it is my favorite subject apart from war mental health issues!

          • Predrag

            Dear Miss or Mrs Dojcinovska Smith,

            Thank you for your reply, you’re one of the few here paying attention to my writings and I do appreciate it.

            Now to your question. You know, in a discussion like this – that btw can hardly be called “discussion”, since judging by the words and terms mentioned here it looks more like a meaningless and hostile argument among half-savage people – one can not bring all evidence to support their own claims. But since you are studying Psychology – or maybe even Psychiatry – you should be able to both, understand what I mean, and what most of our countrymen manifest with their impolite, rude and mostly unsubstantiated statements.

            As for the case about children and their mental health, I’m aware of the fact that there is more than just one Psychological approach to it. The way you’re describing childrens’ “healthy behaviour expressed in being loud, called Energy Distribution”, I’m not sure whether you’re confusing ‘being loud’ with ‘yelling like mad’ which I was reffering to, or your Medical education is connected to the American Behaviorism. You know, I’m no expert in Behaviorism, what I know for sure is that American children, that have constantly been treated in accordance with it, have always shown an enormous portion of aggression, culminating in their war-likeness, the whole world has bellyful of. So, if your Medical education is based upon the American Behaviorism, I’d prefer not to talk about this matter, since I don’t recognize that Psychological approach, due to its visible negative effects that are present with many American children or young people.

            If however, you’re confusing something, I’ll gladly advice you to think a bit harder about the things that I have mentioned there. There is no doubt about the fact that most of the Macedonian children are affected by some mental ailments, you as a Medical Staff should know better that such an occurence is simply inavoidable in a situation, we Macedonians have been subjected to for two decades. I believe I don’t need to elaborate on it, for I reckon you should be skilled enough so as to see the problem that I’ve been talking about even better than I can do. I hope you won’t sort of disappoint me by just confronting me instead of understanding the issue. You as a Psychologist or Psychiatrist should be able to strenghten and even expand my own comprehension and bring it to a deeper insight.

            I hope you do so, since you’re not of those, whose only vision and meaning in life consists of waving a flag, shouting aloud a country’s name 500 hundred times an hour and offending anyone who shows a bit of knowledge and reason.

            I wish you a nice week. ;)

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            No, I am Interning to be a Licensed Clinician/Therapist. Children in the States are frequently over-diagnosed that is a fact and with the new DSM-V taking in effect soon we will have a whole more over diagnosing unfortunately. My educational background is also in sociology and cultural diversity, so I must say that it is not uncommon for children to display behaviors that may be in correlation to some form of societal incidence such as war. The Balkans have been under constant war or pressure and this can be displayed in human behavior especially in children. However, you might find it interesting if you read the diagnostic manual that if you drink the occasional beer or have the occasional cigarette you might have a mental health addiction/illness under the DSM-V. Therefore, the you might find that a lot of people, even the “normal” ones, may have a mental health illness especially in circumstances of underdeveloped or countries in development, or even more so a country in distress (e.g. war). I do apologize my train of thought is not consistent, but it is 2 am and I should be off to bed since it is work time in about 5 hours and a lot of reports to write. The normalcy and deviation of behavior in one country are generally predetermined by the cultural predispositions and background, what might be normal for me as a Macedonian born may not be for my husband who is American born, but does not mean that there is implication of mental health issue especially one that it is harmful to the person or another. Also, children generally are not diagnosed with mental health illness until they have reached full developmental age and so forth. I am not behaviorist, I actually study a strength perspective and solution-focused model with emphasis on biopsychosocial approach, or person-in-environment which is based on the medical, social, and psychological models.

        • Lillian Thompson

          ahem! sorry, what does normal country mean?

          • Predrag

            Well Lillian, I’m gonna put it in simple words, so you can understand what a “normal country” means.

            The word “normal” stands for anything, that is in accordance with what people consider to be sane. For instance love, care, understanding, respect and others of the sort. So, a country – resp. the people inhabitting it – that is supposed to be normal, has got to practice all those virtues. If it doesn’t, it’s abnormal, because it misses the norms or even violates them. Can you understand that?

            So, if all – or at least almost all – you can find in a country and with its people, constists of attitudes, customs or any kind of actions that are SHERE OPPOSITES of the virtues mentioned above, you can’t talk of a NORMAL country or people.

            Sure those terms “normal” and “abnormal” sound somewhat harsh, but you know, people are only upset when they feel addressed with something, that’s why I’m using those words. My aim is to provoke them, so as to make them demonstrate which category they belong to.

            If you live or have lived in a normal country – like Switzerland, Netherlands or Canada, to mention just three of them – and in Macedonia as a contrast to them – you would know that difference. Since you obviously have lived in only one of those two sides, it’s understandable for you not to know the other one.

            I hope I made it a little bit clearer to you. Please don’t disappoint me by saying I didn’t. ;)

        • Ангел Соневски

          I agree we need to be critical of our own country, but our neighbours are also in the wrong on this matter, Greeks treat us as scum and so do Bulgarians, Bulgaria and Greece are far, far from stable, proper European countries, especially Greece with it’s current economy state, our products are in fact lower than the European countries’ prices which are usually overpriced ( I’ve been to USA and their prices were cheaper than both ours and European ones for the most part though ), I agree we need to work on improving our people but you can’t deny that Greece and Bulgaria are both in the wrong.

          • Predrag

            Greece and Bulgaria are in the wrong, you say? Well, it depends on what we’re talking about. If they claimed to be the people from whom the whole world’s population emerged, they would be wrong, of course. Or if they claimed that “Macedonians”, Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs or Albanians were “dirty Gypsies”, Tatars or Huns, they would be wrong again, since neither of them is – they are all either Pelasgians or Slavs or Arians or Albanians. Besides, the category “dirty Gypsies” is not to be found among the peoples, so we can see that such a classification has nothing to do with historical facts but with hatred. So, when I critticize my country-men I do it because they have sunk even deeper into that chauvinism than some Albanian, Bulgarian or Greek nationalists have. I’m aware of the fact that nationalism is present in all Balkan countries, but we’ve got to be honest and admit that it’s not only been greatest in our own country, but it even STARTED from here, so the nationalism in the surrounding countries was just a reply to our own’s. It was us who promoted all those insane claims concerning us and the others around us, after which some hard-core nationalists in Bulgaria, Albania or Greece emmerged. Prior to our own nationalism all those countries did was teach and act in accordance with their own History, which again corresponds with the official History that has been taught in the whole world. So, they actually did nothing wrong in saying the Macedonian population in our country was Bulgarian – this taken as an example – since all the world knows that the our actual language that we call “Macedonian” actually is a Bulgarian dialect. You know, you aren’t doing anything wrong when you claim something that most experts agree upon. You can only be “in the wrong” when you come up with claims that not only contradict almost all experts but even present stories that are far away from being facts. I have never heard a Bulgarian or a Greek expert say anything ridiculous, while on the other side I have seldom heard our own local “experts” say something that was NOT ridiculous. And when you try to undestand what we claim, you’ll find out that our “experts” are not even consistent! There is no consesus among them, they’re split in 3 fractions at least, some claiming that “Macedonians” were the same as Slavs, others claiming the opposite of it. And what’s most interesting is the fact, that our local “wise-heads” don’t take all those visible facts into consideration, e.g. our national wearings, songs and tales, because they all point out our NORTHERN heritage! Our local “mags” want us to believe that our ancestors used to live near Chalkidikki, although there are NO SANDALS in any of our national costumes! Instead, they are full of clothes that are being worn IN NORTHERN REGIONS; if you wore them on Chalkidikki, you’d be boiled to death in your own fluidity! Just try to live there and wrap up your baby into 3-4 meters long diapers, and see it gone within a couple of hours! Tell me one single “Macedonian” story or song about Hercules or Aminta, or the Troian War or the Olympic games. You can’t. I can’t. WE can’t. It’s because we have nothing to do with them. That being so, we can’t look for faults or wrongs on the part of our neighbours. The wrongs have been ours. :)

          • Ангел Соневски

            And if you look at the present, Greece have extremely right-wing neo-nazi organizations, an unstable economy that depends on EU funds to survive, sort of like a parasite, ruining the already hurt euro. Personally I don’t like any Balkan country, they’re probably the most violent countries in Europe ( Greece and Bulgaria are no different than us in terms of nationalism ), honestly all we want is to enter the EU right now, but Greece won’t even allow us to do that.

    • Lillian Thompson

      I lived there for over a year and yeah, it’s not perfect but I would still prefer it to other places in earth and that includes Greece so that’s why the comparison and reply to this guys :)

  • countrycentral

    I’m living in the cheapest and most friendly country in the world, and yet I feel so poor, terrorized, sad and depressed. It’s good living here as a tourist. Everything is cheap in comparison with the average EU-US salary, but with an average salary of 200 euro a month we barely survive in this country. This country is on the edge of self destruction and we are in the same condition as Greece.

    And we are not macedonians, nor we’ll ever be.We are so called slavic gypsies. Our people steal from one another, our politicians steal from the people. And we live in poverty. Gypsy busines everywhere. Ancient macedonians are long lost and the people in this region are from slavic origin. We are slavic not ancient macedonians. But there are also 30% muslims here, the worst kind in europe.

    If Greece offers me citizenship I’m ready to burn the macedonian one on video…

    За некој да не помисли дека сум грк. Не сум… Само обично македонче израснато во најнискиот слој во опшеството.

    • maria

      beden si. idi u grcija da vidis kako ke ti bide. mrsh

    • Trenkoski Ilija

      ne da si beden brat… mizeren si… koja picka te rodi ebate mizerija !

    • Predrag

      To the non-Macedonian readers: Now you can see what actually has been going on in this “cheapest, friendliest and safest” country in the world. Macedonian users who have been trying to be honest and objective here – which is @countrycentral and myself – have been unemployed and/or living in miserable circumstances, inspite of the fact that they speak a much better English than the so-called “patriots”, who on one hand talk in favour of this country, but on the other show nothing but disgust and intollerance towards people like us, insultung us with HIGHLY TYPICAL Macedonian curses and threats. One could think, they’re payed by some local nationalist parties to oppose and threaten people who’re trying to tell the truth. You see, people like us have never been vallued in this so-called “cheapest, friendliest and safest” country in the world, and that’s something that can very easily happen to YOU too, if you tried to live here and speak out your discomfort with LOTS OF things, once you realize that you’re going to be ruined by them. So, if you by any chance make that mistake of visiting Macedonia for longer than a day or two, forget about business, just talk about politics and sex, and – first of all – make your commitment to talk the local people here high in the sky, always confirming their “highly proffessional” interpretion of History – in case you want to be treated by them AS A HUMAN. ;)

      • Ману Силва

        take your pills…

      • Ral Cheva

        So does the thought that you are descended from Alexander the Great make you feel better about the situation?

        • Predrag

          Ral Cheva, no, that thought makes me feel very bad about the situation. I mean my own situation, not that of my country. You know, it’s an extremely bad thing when a majority starts being controled and partly mistreated by a minority that believes to be descending from Alexander. :)

          • Ral Cheva

            You should speak up. Go international if needs be…

        • Predrag

          No, not at all, on the contrary – it makes me feel bad when some people want to make me something that I am not. I can’t be a descendent from Alexander the Great, since I’m not of Greek but of Slavic origin. ;) The part of the Balkans now called “Republic of Macedonia” has never been populated by Macedonians, but by the Thracian/Illyric tribes of the Paeonians, and later by Slavs. The fact that it was a part of the Roman Province “Macedonia Secunda/Salutaris” in the 4th Century does not mean it was inhabitted by Macedonians, as much as Asia Minor was never inahbitted by Asiaminors, but by Lydians, Troyans, Ponts, Galatians and other tribes or people that used to live there. The Province’s name “Macedonia” had nothing to do with the population, it was just given by the Romans IN HONOR OF THE MACEDONIANS (as the name “Macedonia Salutaris” itself suggests). Macedonians always lived in Macedonia Prima. Besides, “Macedonia Secunda (or Salutaris)” included 2/3 of today Albania and aprox. a half of today Bulgaria, although those parts were never populated by Macedonians. ;)

          • Ral Cheva

            Is it true though that if you express such views in the FYROM you get beaten, or otherwise abused? I’ve heard that people who openly declare themselves of Bulgarian heritage and have taken Bulgarian citizenship get abused. And Bulgaria, apart from Greece, has now had enough as well.

          • Predrag

            Well, it’s been very rare for people to have been beaten for expressing such views, but most of them have been abused in a way, in most cases it would be a loss of something (work or friendships or reputation or similar). If you ask me, it’s not the Macedonians who have started their lunetic agenda, they have been lured into it by some higher powers resp. their services, Greece NOT excluded. It is pretty possible for Greece to have been one of those who innitiated some Macedonian politicans to start that Alexander-the-Great-propaganda among their own population. The reason for it is pretty obvious, it’s about gaining territory. That thing is not unknown, it happened once already, when Greece gained territory and Bulgaria gained population. So it’s possible for the same game to take place now, as a result of which RoM falls apart after a couple of years, Greece gaining most of it’s territory (due to the Hellenisation performed there, which makes the country be Greek) and Bulgaria getting a large number of people (as a result of the offering of Bulgarian Citizenship to the Macedonians who don’t consider themselves Greek or Serbian). ;)

          • Ral Cheva

            I am aware of Greece’s actions to an extent simply from reading history and I agree that to an extent it’s reaping what it’s sawn but you know now being part of the EU and NATO Greece couldn’t possibly have any such territorial views/expectations. You see Greece, Bulgaria and Albania all fought against each other on the wars and now they are cooperating and getting on with each other. So the FYROM could very simply follow the same route and I think that becoming part of the EU would change things overall for the better. But the public sentiment in Greece is strongly against a country making claims against its own national identity. The public sentiment in Greece is partly because people are not aware of what the government is doing. And Mr Gruevski scored an own goal when he put up that statue of Alexander the Great in Skopje. The day that statue went up was the day everyone started seeing what Greece had been talking about so long because, let’s be honest, most people hold Alexander the Great as part of Greek heritage. And now Greece is seeing the pressure easing off with regards to negotiations with FYROM. So, if the people over there genuinely want to join the EU and have good neighbourly relations, they need to get rid of Gruevski. How is he going to backtrack on the Alexander the Great issue when he has spent so much money on the statue and historical revisionism must cost money too. My personal view is, he needs to go for everyone’s sake.

    • puff

      ne be druze nema sansi da pomisleme deka si grk ti si branko crvenkovski

      • puff

        :( ((((

    • Ману Силва

      poor guy! take a gun and kill yourself…

    • sase sas

      This comment is false. This person is probably Greek or Bulgarian.

    • me

      I think you are missing the point of this article. It’s not about the economic problems of macedonians. Its about their friendly and kind nature towards foreign tourists. One thing that I’ve been raised with is the notion that we Macedonians are proud to be a hospitable and warm people. And that we are proud of our peaceful nature. Or, did you loose that somewhere in your depression? Or maybe you want to be more like the shiptar?

      • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

        Yes, the article doesn’t consider economic prosperity! Just cost of living, attitude towards foreigners and safety.

      • Lillian Thompson

        Yeah, I agree, I do understand your feeling though, its the same feeling I’ve seen in Macedonian friends, but to be honest, I think that’s it’s too tragical and that’s why it’s very important to build a strong identity as a country and the fact of being the number one touristic destination because of its friendliness, low costs for travel and safety it is something to build an identity from. There are so many other places in the earth who are really poor and yet they are also very hostile to live in, so I guess my advice is just try to see the best, situation in Macedonia wont be like this forever but I think it’s up to it’s people to make the new model efficient or not.

        • Ral Cheva

          Building a strong identity shouldn’t mean taking parts of your neighbour’s identity (that, of course, could never make it strong). And besides with the anti-Greek comments here it makes you wonder how friendly and hospitable the locals really are. The biggest number of visitors to the Republic of Macedonia come from Greece…and this is the attitude and the thank you they seem to get. It’s enough to put you off regardless of the amount of positive stuff you have heard.

    • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

      Te razbiram kako se osekash i ne velam ne, teshko e za Makedonskiot narod koj trpi za koj? No eden nachin kako da se podobri finansiskata sostojba na narodot se vakvi artikli, blogovi, statii, itn zatoa sto toa nosi stranski pari vo zemjata…isto taka Makedonija donese zakon za nedanocenje na prvite nekolku godini na stranski investitori koi ke donesat pari vo MKD…toa ke pomogne. Makedonija se iznese od pepelta pred 24 godini…normalno za edna novo kreirana drzava (ne zemja, Makedonija bila zemja so mileniumi) da stane finansiski stabilna i e potrebno barem eden vek, ne se slucuva nisto preku nok! A da zemesh pasos za vo Grcija, ne bi ti preporachala osobeno zaradi toa sto nivnata finansiska sostojba e malku pobedna nego Makednoskata!

      • countrycentral

        I don’t think you are clearly aware of what is going on in Macedonia. It will take me 4 days and a 5000 words article to explain the details of why is Macedonia facing a devastating catastrophe very soon. I will mention that I was in close politic relations, and I always knew the truth before the lie reached the media. The soon to come situation, where Macedonia will be on her knees, with a calculated high probability of a war, will devastate it’s own people to the point of mass immigration. And that is the reason why I fled the country as fast as I could. Macedonia is currently in a milking phase and she will be financially milked until she implodes upon her collapse.
        Many of the politicians have already bought their ticket out. Most of them have already bought a place to live outside the country. Property reported with address field marked “classified for safety reasons”, and I’ve seen the stacks of paper with my own eyes. Research and you’ll find out the truth behind the grand collapse.

        Have a beautiful day!

  • Postcard

    This is too funny. The aggression here against Greeks makes me feel Macedonia is not a very friendly country.Who cares about Greek arguments on Macedonia? I have not problem that Macedonians are Macedonians but guys sort yourselves out. This is a mob attack against the idiot Aristotelis so you too become idiots.
    I really want to go to Ethiopia now if the ticket from Europe is not expensive.

    • Predrag

      @Postcard, you nailed it! ;)

    • Lillian Thompson

      You have a point there, like Schopenhauer wrote, if a donkey may kick you in the face, will you kick back? but by experience, Macedonians are really friendlier than people in other countries, I have my own list :D plus, i guess anybody who will be rejected it’s own identity over and over would really feel upset, apart from the lack of point of the comments, Macedonia does really experience a problem, it’s not only a name for a country not being recognized by some in the world, but it’s the constant reminder that they are not worth the chance to rebuild their country from their historic grounds and from more modern ground too. I guess I would too feel very frustrated to be a favorite for cultural and social bullying, I guess anybody would be. So in the other hand it’s not really hard to understand their reactions once you stand on their shoes. Macedonia to me seems to be a country trying to rebuild itself, but it gets really hard to have any success at it when most of the people you hear from attack you and neglect you, forget about that, diminish you, your culture, your history and your ground. Macedonia has a very long history of colonizations, the territory where is located has been subject since ancient times to many influences since it was the pass for civilizations. It is perhaps about time to let them call, be or believe what they want. At least they are choosing true grounds for that. I don’t see why this should be a small problem, when other countries place the foot in front of your step for you to fall every time you want to walk. But that’s just my point of view. I just think we all have the right to have an identity, no matter what. ;) So, to fight back, why not!? it is worth at times, and with posts and comments it kills the time too :D

      • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

        Oh my…you sound like my cup of tea…I love your comment cause it sums it up! One day I hope to sit down and have a cup of coffee with you :) Take care.

        • Lillian Thompson

          Haha! thanks, I always wanted to sound like a cup of tea :D I love the comparison. It would be awesome to have a cup of coffee and chat one day! I love cups of coffee, chats and meeting new people from all over the world too! Regards.

        • Lillian Thompson

          Owww! Thanks! I always wanted to sound like a cup of tea hahaaa! :D I’m sure I would enjoy a cup of coffee too, always seeking to meet new people! Regards. :)

  • anabela ana

    I understand , everyone wants to be Macedonia , but Macedonia is one and only ! Republic of Macedonia ! Before Alexander the Great Macedonian, after all Macedonian kings and emperors till present ,everyone wants to be Macedonian or to be part of Macedonia.

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  • HongKong

    Hong Kong @ #5? Really? This place has one of the most expensive real estate in the world.

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      Yes, but the cost of living is not equal to the price of real estate. Food in Norway for example is far more expensive than food in Hong Kong. Lastly, Hong Kong is very safe and friendly according to the WEF report.

  • nabeenkhadka

    Nepal !

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  • geek42

    from long term view, i think new zealand might be the best of these

  • Mansi

    kimeshan – have you ever lived in the UAE? For an Asian holding an Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Philippine passport it’s as unfriendly as it gets…from enforcement of law to inequality in pay to moral equality. And don’t even get me started on the lack of freedom of speech.

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      Hi Mansi, I’ve stayed in Abu Dhabi for 5 weeks so I can’t claimed to have lived there. The list is purely based on data and statistics so I understand how it could be misleading. It’s great to hear a perspective from someone who has lived there! I’m sure many Asian will find your comments useful and will take what you say into account before deciding to move there!

  • Jose Huang

    Welcome to Taiwan! We like foreigners! If you need any help in Taiwan, just let me know. ^^

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      Hey, it’s great to hear from someone from Taiwan!

    • Lillian Thompson

      I’m coming! :)

    • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

      Never been…might just take you up on the offer…my only beef with Asia is that I never seem to find my size clothing, especially pants :P But all in all I loved Asia, apart from Malaysia not such a great experience there I must say!

  • Kattia Flores

    I checked your link to the World Economic Forum, but it is broken, I wanted to check your data since it has called my attention how you managed to quantify such subjective criterias you are using, like “friendly” that might be based on your personal experience I guess? But, besides that, I can see you have put all the South American countries in the “Bad list”. Maybe you have had some very bad experiences in South America, but hey, don`t take it personally! Give it a second chance. South America has AMAZING places to visit, and people is extremely friendly, they will be more than glad to receive tourists, and you don’t mention India either, people in India will make you feel at home as you arrive. I am from Bolivia, I have lived abroad in different continents and I can tell that my friends from all around who have visited Bolivia have had a nice experience. I think the spirit of a real traveler should be to embrace the culture and positive things of every place we visit. So please, you are invited to Bolivia anytime, I can bet you my life there IS a point in visiting Bolivia, as I am sure there is a point visiting any place in the world ;)

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      Hey Kattia! I’ve fixed the link, sorry about that. You can download the WEF report over here: http://www.weforum.org/reports/travel-tourism-competitiveness-report-2013

      While the criteria might appear subjective, it is based purely on quantified data from the WEF report and Numbeo. I also attached the spreadsheet which does the calculations in the blog post so you can download that too if you would like to take a look! I have not used my personal experiences at all and I have nothing against South America. In fact, I haven’t been to South America but I definitely want to visit! It just so happened that a lot of the South American countries came up in the bad list after the number crunching was done. I think South America fares quite well in the ‘friendly’ and ‘cheap’ but not so much in ‘safe’ so that is probably the reason why a lot of those countries ended up on the bad list.

      I’m really happy that you commented and I’ve never spoken to anyone from Bolivia before so it was a pleasant surprise! I definitely agree with you that any place in the world is worth visiting, this list is simply the result of lots of numbers that have been crunched and shouldn’t be taken as the be all and end all.

      I hope to visit Bolivia someday! I am from South Africa and my country does not do well in the list either, probably also because it is not so safe. However, South Africa is also a fantastic place to visit so maybe someday you will have an opportunity to visit my country!

    • Lillian Thompson

      Yeah, that’s true, Ecuador is very friendly too, Chile, Mexico is very friendly and cheap, spent there some time too but I guess the safety fact is preventing the country to earn any good reputation lately?

      • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

        Do not know about Ecuador or Chile, but I spent 3 years around Central America and the islands and Mexico is very friendly and cheap, but the mainland is not very safe I must say…the coast area is pretty safe since they are very touristy.

        • Lillian Thompson

          Yeah, I know what you mean about Mexico, such a grate place to travel its just getting too much negative attention due to the safety of the place but in general so far for me has been not too bad to be honest.

  • Olog-hai

    “Fair the best” should be “fare the best.”

    fare

    verb
    1.
    perform in a specified way in a particular situation or over a particular period of time.
    “the party fared badly in the spring elections”

  • trademind

    hong kong #5 ?? most unfriendly place on earth and WTF cheap??? where did you take this info from?? you sucks…

    • Kimeshan

      Hey, it’s all based on data from the United Nations and Numbeo (www.numbeo.com). You’re welcome to check out the sources if you doubt it’s validity!

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      Hi Trademind, the data is from the World Economic Forum and Numbeo. It is purely objective based on numbers. I can understand how you could see a mismatch compared to your personal experiences. However, remember there are countries far more expensive than Hong Kong like Australia and Norway. Also, ‘unfriendly’ is a very subjective thing and is based on your personal experience. Another person may find it very friendly…

      Thanks for the feedback though! Always welcome.

  • Ranko

    Wow to make it number 1 is truly deserving, now hop on a plane and visit.

  • Arthur C….

    Why Greece continues to harass the Republic of MACEDONIA?Macedonians weren’t,aren’t and will never be Greeks,and that’s a fact! Greeks,not only stole Macedonians land in 1913,now they are stealing Macedonian identity,history,culture and name!
    And,yes the whole world knows the truth,that Greeks are one pathetic fascists stealing falsificating liars!May God have mercy on your souls!
    Graecia (Greece) in Vendic-Venetic (Slavonic) means “hilly land”
    This name comes from WHITE Trojans – Enedae or Eneti!
    MakeDONia was always land of White race and NOT land of Afro-Semitic tribes – Hellenes from Ethiopia and Israel
    Afro Semites only occupied this territory – the same happened with Troja..

    • Predrag

      Arthur C…., please tell us your nationality and be honest with that. My guess is, you’re a Macedonian, who’s addopted the new and twisted “History” that has been spread out in Macedonia for half a decade, and is being accepted by no more than 20% of the Macedonian population at the top.

      I have a question to you: What do you mean by “Macedonians weren’t,aren’t and will never be Greeks…”? Of course Macedonians are not Greek, as much as they are not Yugoslav or Bulgarian, but they still BELONGED to those two categories. Bavarians are Bavarians in the first place, but they are Germans at the same time, since they belong to that ethnic group. Creteans are Creteans in the first place – they used to have theiw OWN culture – and yet they BELONG TO THE GREEK NATION. So, youre allegation concerning the Macedonians and their historical background is based upon just a part of a truth. According to your “logic” the American British or French HAVE NEVER BEEN British or French, which is obviously wrong, since they WERE British or French BEFORE they became American. And vice versa, according your “logic” American British or French shouldn’t be allowed to tell their historical background, since they’re BOUND by their actual status as American citizens, and prohibitted to tell what they used to be.

      You see, things are not that simple, as some Macedonian half-educated “Historians” are trying to picture them. True, Macedonians were DIFFERENT than the rest of the Greeks at ancient times, as much as the Epirians, the Thessalonians or the Creteans were, but THEY ALL still belonged to the Hellenic race, which – among other things – is proven by the fact that they spoke one and the same language. Or have you ever read about an “interpreter, translating between Alexander and his teacher Aristoteles, or between Achiles and Hector, or between Phillipus and his wife Olympia who was from Epirus”? You have never read that, isn’t that right? So, if you have a THINKING head, you better start seeing History the way it IS, not the way some not even half-educated nationalists are trying to picture it by altering almost every single detail of it. Or do you really want to believe their story, according to which God first spoke to the Macedonians in the language that is being spoken in the modern FYROM? Here comes the link to it, taken from Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXaCJ-5ERfA

      • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

        Hey there…I was born in Macedonia and even though my primary education came from Macedonia my higher education is from the States. As an academic I do understand that each country may in fact teach their own history to extent; however, as I mentioned I did get my higher education in the States and I have taken several history classes as well as frequently communicated with history majors. So this does not come from me, but from what I have learned so far from the classes and discussions with the history major students and academics. Macedonia is Macedonia and Greece is Greece…heaven help if you ever come to the States and say to any good old American “British” or “French” you might fly back to wherever you come from as fast as you can say those words. Wish you all the best.

        p.s. the Bible is one of the oldest historical/religious books and you might want to read it sometimes cause in it Macedonia is mentioned several times and those words on the YouTube video are actually from it.

        • Predrag

          Renata, I’m not talking about the situation where some people ARE PROHIBITED to talk about their past or origin. What I’m reffering to is their origin as such. It’s irrelevant, whether the Americans are or are not allowed to talk about their origin, what counts is that they – resp. their forefathers – USED TO BE SOMETHING ELSE than they are nowadays. I hope you get me.

          And as for the Bible, I know it by heart, believe me, I was one of the first here – if not the very first one – to tell about the name of Macedonia being mentioned in the Bible. But to what avail? Instead of using it for some normal and productive ideas or actions, my countrymen started using it to create a fake History.

          Besides, the Bible is way to questionable so as to be taken for serious in the most cases. ;)

          • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

            I stand by my personal view that I have adopted from the States…identification of who and what you are should be your human right as it is; however, I will also refer to my history professor who said that history is normally written by who ever won the battle and that we should take any historical facts with a grain of salt because there is always the story of one side, the story of the other side, and the story of the truth…who is to say that any historical facts are actually factual unless we perceive them with our own eyes? As far as I am concerned, I believe my eyes the most and what I see, but even then I question since I know that all my perceptions are a mare predispositions of a pre- existing images and experiences. I am not a historian, I just love reading stories; but sometimes it is best to understand them as such, stories and nothing more. We live in the present and that is all that matters since we cannot change the past and surely cannot build a future on it as well. I respect that Greek people identify themselves as Greek; but knowing that none wishes to be called other than what they identify themselves with I can understand how it can be painful for someone to tell you that you are not who you think you are, you do not speak the language you think you do, and you do not live in the country you think you do….it will be as if one has to question ones own sanity over and over again. Americans of European descend from the 16th century do acknowledge their background, but they identify themselves solely as Americans and nothing more even though the only true Americans are the Indian tribes; however, they have the human right to self-determine and identify as they choose and so do Macedonians.

            p.s. the Bible as any other historic book should be taken with a grain of salt.

            Take care.

          • Predrag

            I like your style. :)

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  • http://www.jobiety.com/ Kashif

    UAE is safe and somewhat friendly but really not inexpensive at all. In fact, Dubai is one of the most expensive cities in the world.

    • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

      I lived there briefly and loved some things about it and did not like other things. I loved that there was always something to do, it almost seemed that the city never sleeps. I loved all the amazing things that the government did with a city in the middle of the desert. I loved how everything seemed so priceless and that jewelry was so inexpensive…you want to buy gold go to the UAE. I loved that when people party they really party…it was almost as if people work hard, but party harder :) However, I really did not like that I was not able to hold hands with my boyfriend, nor express any physical emotions (e.g. hug and kiss). I really did not like that we could not book the same room cause we were not married. I went there with blond hair and was advised to color it dark and a week later I understood why, so I did not appreciate that, neither did my hair. And its expensive if you do not make a lot of money and at the time I really wasn’t making much. It is an awesome place to visit, but sometimes it is not catered to the western visitors and their cultural understandings and background. It was however a very interesting experience to the point that I wrote several pieces on it for school :)

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      Agree about Dubai. However, Dubai is not the UAE. The other emirates can be quite cheap!

  • Anikin Neboshetac

    I’m proud of Macedonia and the Macedonians, and thankful for this lovely promotion from http://www.kimeshan.com. Macedonia deserves the first spot and it is in a position to keep it at least for another 10 years!
    I just want to appeal to the administrators to be more vigilant and prevent the hate-speech from the Greek nationality members comments, especially at this time when Greece is in the process of dealing with their problem of Neo-Nazis, Golden Dawn. We should not allow them to use this platform to promote their xenophobic, hate-spreading Nazi & aggressive behavior. So please remove their comments ASAP, before their frustration and hate turns into something more!

    As an example, there have been more than 60 attacks on tourists only in the last summer season, and more than 200 on people in transit!

  • Predrag

    @Kimeshan:disqus, I’m inviting you to Macedonia. I’m not going to be your companion there – not only because the people of the Macedonian Government will never allow me to be, engaging their closest family members for such a task, but also because I want you to see with your own eyes how it looks like and how it feels to be among REAL Macedonians for a long time.

    I’m very eager to read your blog AFTER you return from that mission and to find out whether the name of “Macedonia” will THEN be even mentioned there. In case it will, I’m eager to see IN WHICH SECTION it will be mentioned. ;)

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      I will definitely report back on my visit to Macedonia when I get the chance to visit.

  • Kotiko Arobelidze

    Welcome to Georgia , Cheapest, safest and friendliest countrie in the world , for more informatian , http://georgia.travel/ . At the crossroads of Europe and Asia, Georgia is a combination of uniqueness and diversity. Although a small country, you can find here the Caucasus Mountain range, Black Sea coastline, curative climate and mineral waters, national parks and UNESCO Heritage Sites, ancient history, diverse culture and traditions, delicious cuisine, rich wine culture and last but not least, our world-famous Georgian hospitality.

    From the architecture of Tbilisi’s Old Town to the vineyards of Kakheti; from the ancient stone towers of Svaneti to the beaches and nightlife of Batumi, there is something to inspire and excite everyone. Ski the Caucasus Mountains, Europe’s highest mountain range, in the morning and relax by the Black Sea coast in the afternoon. Sample the delicious Georgian cuisine and wine at a traditional Supra (or feast) one day, detox in our natural saunas and spas afterwards. Georgia has a unique, welcoming culture which explains its world-famous hospitality. With its unique alphabet and language, and many world-famous artists, Georgia will surprise and delight you at every turn.

    Whatever it is you want from a holiday, come to Georgia for the best moments of your life.

    • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

      my husband went there briefly and I would love to do so as well. Thanks for all the info…we might come skiing :)

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      Georgia sounds amazing!

  • Shanix

    The first map skipped #9

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  • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

    I would say that Macedonia is the best place on this planet…you fork
    out for a ticket and with $500 you will end up going back home from your
    vacation with at least half of that if not even more. This is due to
    the fact that everything is so cheap — not the kind of cheap that it is
    not worth seeing, the country is amazing — and people do not let you
    pay for anything cause you are a guest in their country and everyone
    wants to make you feel welcomed; you will never be alone because
    everyone wants to be your friend; you never feel bored because there is
    always something to do or somewhere to go; the clubs work so long that
    you will consider going in your pj’s to take a nap and continue to
    party; the food is so amazing that you come back home with at least
    20lbs more in less than a month; the drinks are so strong that you feel
    you should apologize to your liver in advance; the scenery is so
    beautiful that you would feel that God never stops touching its horizon;
    the history is so rich and so visible throughout the country that you
    would feel that you are living in several eras at once; and by the time
    it comes that you should leave to go back home you might consider either
    coming back again, never leaving in the first place, or retire in this
    amazing country. My husband and I actually bought apartment for
    retirement purposes…we go there every year and we would go more often,
    but life keeps us from doing so!

  • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

    p.s. Sometimes I wish people learn how to live in the present instead of the past when they never were even present! One tip that my history professor gave me in the university here in the States, winners write the history and sometimes even what has been written should be taken with a grain of salt that there is always the story of one side, the story of the other side, and the story of the truth!

  • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

    Kimeshan: I might poke your brain for my research class next semester since your strong point is statistics :) mine not so much :)

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      Haha, it’s not my strong point but I can point you to people that I know who are experts :)

  • Christiano

    Yea This Macedonia maybe it’s the best place in Europe for Visit … Maybe other people want to go Norway – France – Malta or other if you didnt now but the Macedonian people it’s the most friendly people & country it’s savest ever … I’ve been there now it’s youre turn LOVE MACEDONIA but i LOVE AaND ALL EUROPE

    • Renata Dojcinovska Smith

      I do love Europe…have been to Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Croatia, I know I missing some, but my list to visit is even longer :)

  • konstantinos

    My “Macedonian” friends, please explain in your language, using your own words, and please take as much time as you need …… the following words: ALEXANDROS , FILLIPOS (his father) , OLYMPIADA(his mother) , ARISTOTELES(his filosopher-tutor) , VOUKEFALAS(his horse) and THESSALONIKI(his capital-city) …….You can call yourselves Macedonian if it makes you feel better, or even Marsian or E.T. for all i care ,but do you REALLY think you have anything to do with that ancient tribe ,or their semigod-king?……. we are not your enemy, many factories and companies were made by Greek investors and also we are the only neighbors you have that don’t want to take a piece of your country……congratulations for the rating you had here but you still have a long way to go to be considered as a “tourist country”……….. you are not yet on the tourist map unless you say “the country north of Greece” ………………….of course you will get there as soon as you organise those beautiful beaches( hahahahahahahaa……) you have so many of……. don’t worry we can help you with that….. we have sooooooo many we don’t know what to do with them…….. we can rent you some at a reasonable rate hohohhohoho

    • Predrag

      We can’t. That is not polemical. Those are Greek words from the Greek language that we have nothing in comon with (apart of some lexica, that have been borrowed by us or by you, like for instance “ella”/”ela”). But you should not be over-concerned about this whole thing, you should not take it personally, since it has not been produced by the Macedonian people (“Macedonian” in the sense that is being used nowadays, describing the People who imho are a mixture of Slavs and Paionians/Thracians). You should be wise enough so as to know that this whole chaos named “Name Issue” was actually planned and produced by several countries like Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Albania, Russia and USA – to name just some. The thing is, Yougoslavia and Macedonia were produced as an experiment, to find out whether it was possible for some historically quarrelling tribes or people to live together. That was the case first with the Serbs, Croats, Orthodox and Catholic Christians and Muslims in Yougoslavia, and later with Bulgars, Skipetares, Turks, Serbs, Gypsies, Vlachs, Jews etc in Macedonia. Both experimental models, Yougoslavia and Macedonia, proved to be unsuccessful, so the big powers decided to end them – Yougoslavia first, giving Macedonia another chance, which turned to be idle too. So now they are making an end to it, yet not by means of war, since it would be a real shame for 4 countries to destroy each other for the sake of a handful of land. So they have been working on it in a peaceful manner, and it has obviously been executed in the same pattern that was done after the WWs, according to which Greece gained lands but lost people, and Bulgaria lost lands but gained population. This whole “quiet chaos” was produced on purpose, so the Macedonian population became forced to move out of the country in order to escape the inhuman conditions there, and that’s why hundreds of thousands of Macedonians have left the country – with or without a Bulgarian passport – while another great number will never do, aiming to remain “patriotic” and “defend” their “country and name” to the end. Those, who have left (and a good deal of those who are still in Macedonia) will be considered Bulgarians, while those who’re “defending” their “holy Name” will end up as Greeks, since they unwillingly work in favour of Greece by hellenizing the country by building Greek monuments and adopting a part of the Greek History. I personally am not bothered by all that chaos – although I have been harmed by it – because I think everyone have the right to call themselves the way they want. Problems arise when some people don’t allow others to be what they want to be. So for instance, in Macedonia nobody would harm you if you declared to be a Macedonian or a Serb, but just dare to declare yourself a Bulgarian! This again is clear evidence for the fact, that the actual “hidden” policy in this country is pro-Greek and pro-Serbian. Again I say, I don’t mind that, my country-men can declare themselves the way they want. I only feel sorry when I see people argue about something, not knowing what they are actually arguing over. Most of the people fight for fictive objectives. So the Greek people think Macedonians want to usurp their History, and Macedonians think the Greek or the Bulgarians are trying to destroy them, while in fact they are all being abused by some Intelligence Services or some other strategic Organizations, because as you very well know, things are being done most easily with a devided and quarrelling population. So they make us all fight for some fictive reasons, so they can execute their plans as undesturbed as possible.

      I hope you understand what I mean. ;)

      • konstantinos

        Personally Predrag i don’t have a problem with the term “slavomacedonian” since your people live in the area that was a part of the ancient kingdom of Macedonia and those lands have been known with none other than this name for over 2.500 years…. but the claim that there is a bloodline (from a people that is not from greek origin) to Alexander is no less than ridiculous ……………. otherwise i agree with most that you are writing…… don’t forget that today’s “macedonia” exists only because the americans wanted that!

  • alf

    so much useless bullshit on one page. waste of html.

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  • lenia

    Macedonia is one of the nine geographical departments of Greece!!The country you talk about is FYROM!!!

    • Mr.MkB

      The part MACEDONIA that it is now in greece was annected by force from MACEDONIA by greece. And choose who you are – are you greeks or macedonians ? Are you living in greece or MACEDONIA ? Which one is it ?
      Learn the history, stop being ignorant and stupid and brainwashed.

      • lenia

        You think u know the history as they taught it to you.Macedonia is a greek name of a region that is today one of the nine geographic parts in Greece.People who live in this region are greeks as people in Thrace are greeks,in Thessaly etc.You are so “poor” that not only chose a greek name for your country(the etymology is clearly greek!)but also you can’t think a new one!!!!hahahaha…Try something like Yugoslavia which is closer to your cultrure,dont you like it??And stop having this ambition to expand to our region of which you are obviously jealous!!!

      • Ral Cheva

        The Greek part of Macedonia (as well as all of it actually) was part of the Ottoman empire before it came under Greek control. There was no country called Macedonia since the Romans took over it and turned into a province. Just for accuracy’s sake. Thanks.

  • lenia

    Etymology:

    The name “Macedonia” derives from the tribal name of the ancient Macedonians, attested in Greek sources as Μακεδόνες (Makedōnes). It is usually linked to the Indo-European root *māk-, meaning ‘long’ or ‘tall’. The root is also encountered in the Greek words makednos”long, tall”, (attested in Homer, and recorded by Hesychius of Alexandria as a Doric word meaning “large”), or makros (‘long, large’), as well as related words in other Indo-European languages. It is commonly explained as having originally meant ‘the tall ones’ or ‘highlanders’.[1] R.S.P. Beekes claims that the morphological analysis make- (root) + -dnos (suffix) is impossible in an Indo-European word and that it is more likely that the word has a Pre-Greek origin.[2]

    In Greek mythology, Makednos was the eponymic ancestor of the Macedonians. He is described as a grandson of Deucalion and nephew to Hellen, the ancestor of the Greeks(according to Hesiod), or as a son to Aeolus, the ancestor of the Aeolians (according to Hellanicus).[3]

  • Rati Kiria

    sweetest country Georgia. <3 <3

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      How is Georgia for English speakers? I want to visit, but unfortunately my language skills don’t stretch beyond English and very little Spanish.

  • Mr.MkB

    Just read the comments of the “democratic” greeks and you will know why they are not a friendly country. If you respect me – i will respect you no matter who you are and what’s your name. And i have love for everybody. Well done MACEDONIA ! There is a reason why MACEDONIA is such a friendly country.

  • dino

    welcome to balkan!!

  • Sarah Cobham

    Georgia may, on paper be second but anyone who visits really really needs to know about the extremely complex social and cultural issues going on there .http://sarahcobham1.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/georgia-where-do-i-fit-in_11.html

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      Cool blog! Keep writing Sarah.

  • Oto Zozrashvili

    We Are Second, I’m From Georgia, So you can came here too. only 0.01 is difference :) There are Too many sights and every 3 of 5 knows English :) So it Won’t Be a problem.

  • Eka

    I am Georgian, and unlike discussions below, we don’t care about where did our name come from. Georgians don’t even call the country Georgia, so really, who cares. Come over and have fun.

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      Sounds like the place to be!

      • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

        How is Georgia for English speakers though?

  • Merijn van Leeuwen

    Very nice overview like this. I like it. If I may suggest something to improve the map. since 1.5 year I have been living and working in Malaysia, the Philippines, Brunei and to a lesser extent Indonesia.

    I can tell you that Malaysia is one of the safest countries in the region (Malaysia has a lower crime rate than Germany and France, according to other reports, and perhaps only Singapore and Myanmar are safer for a foreigner), and the Philippines are most probably the most dangerous country in SE Asia to travel and work in: petty crime is everywhere in Manila and other bigger cities. Around 10 tourists a year get kidnapped (only in certain regions though). Working there can be dangerous as a foreigner or citizen alike, especially if you voice out against corruption/environmental issues (10+ people incl. westerners get killed yearly). Besides crime traffic is more chaotic and dangerous than other countries I’ve been to, and 2500 people a year die of disasters (natural, but also often man induced floods/landslides, etc).

    Saying this: the Philippines can still be a great (and also safe) place to visit as a tourist, with some beautiful sites and very friendly people. You have to look past the destruction of nature and huge income differences though.

    Brunei must be one of the safest countries in the world: extremely relaxed people (everybody has money enough), no drinking, not many people on the road, etc.

    • http://www.kimeshan.com/ Kimeshan Naidoo

      Hi Merijn,

      Thanks a lot for those insights, really great to hear from someone who has lived and worked in these countries.

      So if were to visit, which country should I choose if I had to pick one? I like doing adventure activities (snorkelling, diving etc.) in the day and party (clubs, bars, etc.) at night.

  • Zviad

    Welcome to Georgia
    (საქართველო Sak’art’velo), known officially from 1990 to 1995 as the
    Republic of Georgia (2005 est. pop. 4,677,000),
    is a country to the east of the Black Sea, most of which is located in
    the South Caucasus, while a portion of the territory lies in the North
    Caucasus.
    A former republic of the Soviet Union, it shares borders with Russia in
    the north and Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan in the south, area 69,700
    sq km (26,900 sq mi).

    Georgia is an amazing cluster of cultures, religions, fascinating
    landscapes and ancient history. The country where everyone can find
    something to his liking – from snowy peaks to subtropical shores, from
    deserts to lush forests, from cities to enchanting villages.
    Ethnic Georgians constitute a majority of the population. The official
    language is Georgian, one of the oldest languages in the world. Tbilisi
    is the capital and by far the largest city.

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  • Zviad

    Welcome to Georgia
    (საქართველო Sak’art’velo), known officially from 1990 to 1995 as the
    Republic of Georgia (2005 est. pop. 4,677,000),
    is a country to the east of the Black Sea, most of which is located in
    the South Caucasus, while a portion of the territory lies in the North
    Caucasus.
    A former republic of the Soviet Union, it shares borders with Russia in
    the north and Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan in the south, area 69,700
    sq km (26,900 sq mi).

    Georgia is an amazing cluster of cultures, religions, fascinating
    landscapes and ancient history. The country where everyone can find
    something to his liking – from snowy peaks to subtropical shores, from
    deserts to lush forests, from cities to enchanting villages.
    Ethnic Georgians constitute a majority of the population. The official
    language is Georgian, one of the oldest languages in the world. Tbilisi
    is the capital and by far the largest city.

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  • Ardian Xheladini

    Macedonia where amazing happens

  • Miriam

    Sorry, but having had a look at this, I should say that this is bullshit and clearly biaised you should not believe a word of it !!! I have lived in Iran for 2 years and it is one of the most welcoming and cheapest countries (and also one of the safest countries in that region, at least much safer than Israel where most people even don’t hesitate to travel) it also offers a lot of cultural and natural sites to visit and nevertheless it ranks between those who are on the bottom of this report. I really can’t believe this!!!

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  • Chamara Disanayake

    Visit Sri Lanka. The wonder of Asia, You can feel the hospitality, nature, heritage, nice climate, grate history, and people with smiley faces

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  • ammar zeb

    I am a Briton. I have been to pakistan. People are very friendly and very welcoming. It is worth noting that english is an official language in the region. If the country is not welcoming to foreigners, it makes no point, why are they using a foreign language on such a large scale. I have seen foreigners roaming freely in the streets of islamabad with no threat. This list is biased and definitely not accurate. Go for yourself and find the truth.

    • Hindustani

      Yes dear , you must be very grateful to God that Pakistanies let you go alive .

      And my friend its a Travelers form , plzz don’t make stupid jocks here , someone can take your jock seriously and travel to Pakistan to be get killed or kidnapped.

  • Craig Prescott

    I just spent 9 days in Jiangxi Province, China.. it was the friendliest place I have ever been to. It is very safe .. the people make you feel very special and it is cheap. I strongly recommend to anyone a visit to China.

  • http://beersgames.blogspot.com/ Panos “Calm Dreamer” Alx

    I’m genuinely surprised that Greece is not on the top-15 of the bottom list. I know we do wrong but not wrong enough apparently. Hmm…

  • Sylvie Martlew

    “Iran should be avoided for obvious reasons”? Complete bollocks. Incredibly cheap, safe and above all friendly.

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  • Nika Zeragia

    Georgia on my mind

  • Jagatheesan Chandrasekharan

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    TIPITAKA е од 3 Генерализирање – 1) кошница на дисциплина (Vinaya), 2) на дискурси (Sutta) и 3) на Ultimate доктрина (Abhidhamma) Pitakas.

    ВЕ МОЛИМЕ Рендерирање точни превод на овој во вашиот КЛАСИЧНИ мајчин јазик и сите други јазици знаете и објават.

    Ве молиме испратете копија
    awakenmedia.prabandhak @ gmail.com

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    посетете ја страницата:
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    Tipitaka
    На Пали Канон
    © 2005

    Видете исто така Sutta индексот; Преводи од Преведувач

    На Tipitaka (Пали ти, “три”, + pitaka,
    “Генерализирање”), или Пали Канон, е собирање на примарни Пали јазик
    Текстовите кои ја формираат основата на доктрината Theravada будизмот. на
    Tipitaka и paracanonical Пали текстови (коментари, хроники, итн) заедно ја сочинуваат комплетен тело на класичната Theravada текстови.

    На Пали Канон е огромно тело на литературата: во превод на англиски
    текстовите додаде до илјадници печатени страници. Повеќето (но не сите) од
    Канон е веќе објавен на англиски во текот на годините. иако
    само мал дел од овие текстови се достапни на оваа веб страна,
    оваа колекција може да биде добро место за почеток.

    Три поделби на Tipitaka се:

    Vinaya Pitaka
    Собирање на текстови кои се однесуваат на правилата на однесување кои се регулира секојдневно работи во рамките на Sangha – заедницата на bhikkhus (ракоположен монаси) и bhikkhunis
    (ракоположен калуѓерки). Многу повеќе отколку само листа на правила, Vinaya
    Pitaka исто така вклучува и приказните зад потеклото на секоја власт,
    обезбедување детална сметка за решение на Буда на прашањето на
    како да се задржи комунални хармонија во голема и разновидна духовна
    заедница.
    Sutta Pitaka
    Собирање на suttas, или дискурси, му се припишува на Буда
    и неколку од неговите најблиски следбеници, кои ги содржат сите централни учења
    на Theravada будизмот. (Повеќе од илјада sutta преводи се
    . на располагање на овој веб-сајт) на suttas се поделени меѓу пет nikayas (збирки):

    Digha Nikaya – “долга збирка”
    Majjhima Nikaya – “собирањето средна должина”
    Samyutta Nikaya – на “групирани збирка”
    Anguttara Nikaya – на “дополнително-констатирано збирка”
    Khuddaka Nikaya – “собирањето на малку текстови”:
    Khuddakapatha
    Dhammapada
    Udana
    Itivuttaka
    Sutta Nipata
    Vimanavatthu
    Petavatthu
    Theragatha
    Therigatha
    Jataka
    Niddesa
    Patisambhidamagga
    Apadana
    Buddhavamsa
    Cariyapitaka
    Nettippakarana (вклучени само во Бурма издание на Tipitaka)
    Petakopadesa (“”)
    Milindapañha (“”)

    Abhidhamma Pitaka
    Собирање на текстовите во кои основната доктрината принципи
    презентирани во Sutta Pitaka се преработил и реорганизира во
    систематски рамка која може да се примени истрага за
    природата на умот и материјата.

    За понатамошно читање

    Каде можам да најдам копија од комплетната Пали Канон (Tipitaka)? (Често Поставувани Прашање)
    Надвор од Tipitaka: А Теренски Водич за пост-канонски Пали литература
    Пали јазик Студија СИДА нуди линкови кои можат да бидат корисни за Пали студентите на секое ниво.
    Прирачник за Пали литература, од Somapala Jayawardhana
    (Коломбо: Karunaratne & Sons, Ltd, 1994). А водич, речник
    форма, преку Пали Канон, со детални описи на главните
    место во Канон.
    Анализа на Пали Канон, Расел Веб, ед. (Kandy:
    Будистички Објавување општество, 1975). Неопходен “патоказот” и
    преглед на Пали Канон. Содржи одлични индекс листата suttas од
    именува.
    Водич за Tipitaka, У Ko Леј, ед. (Делхи: Шри Satguru
    Публикации, 1990). Уште еден одличен преглед на Tipitaka,
    кои содржат резимеа на многу важни suttas.
    Будистички речник, од Nyanatiloka Mahathera (Kandy:
    Будистички Објавување општество, 1980). Класичен прирачник на важни
    термини и концепти во Theravada будизмот.

  • bmi1

    Ethiopia Yes.

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